Halion loot table is totally bugged

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Halion loot table is totally bugged

#1 » Post by HeadOwn » 17 Aug 2014 14:29

Listen, I'm not saying stuff out of my ass, some ppl who played on retail already confirmed to me that Halion gotta drop at least 1 trinket per run, anyways, idk who was the GM that linked This on my bugtracker report, r u seriously gonna take wowhead info? take a look at This pls, so Invincible has 2% chance to drop in MoP, shall we do it to WotLK too? I killed Halion 12-13 times in 25 and only 4 trinkets in total, so pls just fix this already, and don't post more links of wowhead, WOWHEAD IS MOP NOW, unless u wanna do it on oldwowhead.com
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Re: Halion loot table is totally bugged

#2 » Post by Blacklustersoldier » 17 Aug 2014 17:02

Lk mount, was 100% drop rate in wotlk, and RS aways drops a trinket... ever since we killed him, I always saw one trinket drop....
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Re: Halion loot table is totally bugged

#3 » Post by Fastor » 17 Aug 2014 17:53

In absence of legit info from wowwiki wowhead and similar, l would like to point at Youtube. Every single 25man video that was taken on Blizzard server had trinket drop. Now l wont say Youtube is legit source of info, but its too fat chance that on every single video is trinket.

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#4 » Post by Blacklustersoldier » 17 Aug 2014 17:59

okay, we killed him now, and no trinket droped
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#5 » Post by Polkic » 17 Aug 2014 18:43

At this time we have it set up to drop 2 items from 10 and 3 from 25 (Heroics drop same amount), regardless of item type.
If you cannot provide me with a good proof that it should drop trinket 100% I ll be forced to leave it as it is.
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#6 » Post by Fastor » 17 Aug 2014 19:24

Youtube links count? Shell l start linking?

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#7 » Post by Relina » 17 Aug 2014 19:28

Link away it might help :).
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Re: Halion loot table is totally bugged

#8 » Post by Nyeriah » 17 Aug 2014 19:29

Youtube doesn't really say much imo, as far as we are aware that they should drop almost every time but we are uncertain that they should always do so.

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#9 » Post by Polkic » 17 Aug 2014 19:31

I dont think youtube is good proof as it "could" be drooping always when it was taped. Something more Blizz related.
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#10 » Post by perka » 17 Aug 2014 19:35

It may have 70, 90 or 100% drop chance and still dropped nearly all the time. :) Better info is indeed needed.

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Re: Halion loot table is totally bugged

#11 » Post by HeadOwn » 17 Aug 2014 20:21

Blacklustersoldier wrote:Lk mount, was 100% drop rate in wotlk, and RS aways drops a trinket... ever since we killed him, I always saw one trinket drop....
Yeah I know, but some GM linked me wowhead showing that every RS trinket has 27% chance to drop so I just linked wowhead for LK mount, it has 1-2% to drop which means wowhead isn't wotlk anymore, it's MoP now so the informations in it r false.
It may have 70, 90 or 100% drop chance and still dropped nearly all the time. :) Better info is indeed needed.
Alright, I might not have enough info but at least I have This
Bear in mind that the way of showing loot percentages is biased down, as each boss has sub-loot tables (Mostly seen in ICC/RS - you would never see 2 Halion trinkets simultaneously, for example, ever). There used to be similar "splits" for Patchwerk as well, but I honestly can't remember them
Which means we shouldnt get same trinkets, like 2 DBW as we get here in TW, same goes for RS, few weeks ago Alliance raid got 2 STS and 1 CTS in the same raid, few weeks ago my raid got x2 GTS in the same raid, this shouldn't happen.

But well, I have no prove about the trinkets being 100% since there is no accurate wotlk websites, openwow.com doesnt show the loot percentage.

Edit: we killed Halion today for the 13th-14th time and a total of 5 trinkets dropped.
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Re: Halion loot table is totally bugged

#12 » Post by MerelyASetback » 17 Aug 2014 21:05

If you examine the drop rate of the items a little bit more closely, it is pretty plausible that the trinkets indeed are in a sub droptable.

Adding all trinket-drops up (97 + 100 + 81 + 78 = 356 out of a total of 365 kills) and adding up the percentages also yield a close to 100% drop of any trinket.
Now we're missing 9 trinket drops.

But if you take the total of drops of all the loot and divide it by the 365 kills, you get 2.87 / kill.
The missed recordings may have been due to relogs/disconnects of the recording character, ninjas or ragequits before the loot is distributed. (I don't really know how the addon works, when it actually records the drops, so it's speculation).

All in all it seems plausible that there's indeed a sub-trinket loottable according to the numbers.
(I also checked it for the heroic versions, but there the difference is way more off :/ )

I do not believe Cata/MoP changed the drop rates of these 'normal' (read: non--mount) items, though.
And it's indeed rather weird that there's nowhere a reference to him always dropping a trinket each run, unless of course Blizzard used this on every boss encounter and it's not worth mentioning.

Edit: Mathematically speaking this post is not worth much, purely speculation and (maybe wrong) use of statistics.

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Re: Halion loot table is totally bugged

#13 » Post by ilyailyailya » 17 Aug 2014 22:17

Just saw a video (MoP tho) where he killed Halion and no trinket:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgvVcQYkUpQ
Also this topic:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/731 ... -1-Trinket
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Re: Halion loot table is totally bugged

#14 » Post by kermo14k » 17 Aug 2014 22:23

Trinket drop isn`t 100% in mop if you read the previous posts..
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Re: Halion loot table is totally bugged

#15 » Post by Polkic » 17 Aug 2014 22:28

The bug that sometimes happens and gives you 2x same item is something random in core and has nothing to do with the % drops of items and structure of loot that we set up in core, nothing special we can do about it for now.
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