Issue with ICC Buff Being Disabled by Random Players

#1 » Post by **Regent** » 24 Sep 2016 13:30

Having been a solo free-lancer type of player lately for personal reasons, my experience with random PuG raids that I decide to help out with has been less than stellar.

Minor background into this drama and the cause of me making this topic:

Spoiler:

I'm personally tired of having my time wasted by random idiots that get butthurt during PuG raids about losing loot or about any other in-game drama and then resort to disabling the buff before leaving the raid / logging off (and basically fuck the raid for the other 9 or 24 people, depending on the raid).

It's hard enough to put a raid together or wait for someone else to pug a raid together with TW's population shrinking day by day thanks to players and guilds either ditching the server or people who just stop playing altogether.

The last thing a pug raid needs these days on TW is to be forced to wait 30-60 min after disbanding the group and then re-entering ICC to check if the buff returned.
Apparently, it's supposed to come back after 30-60 minutes following a disbanding and remaking of the raid group.
We checked about 45 minutes after the incident (remade the group and everything, though lost 3 people in the process who had to leave or go off) and the buff didn't return at all.

Time is precious. The few remaining people on this server don't always have an ample amount of time to spend waiting for the ICC buff to come back; time which they had allocated to actually making progress in gearing up and learning tactics so they can move up to the harder bosses - and later on - harder difficulties in ICC.

Message to counter-arguments:

Spoiler:

Ergo, I'm suggesting the following:
Please make it so that only raid leaders can disable the ICC buff
OR (if and only if the first option is not doable in the code)
Please remove the ability to disable the ICC buff completely.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Best Regards,
Regent

#2 » Post by **arnis5** » 24 Sep 2016 13:48

Disabling ICC buff ability is kinda of stupid, idk why do we even have this ability when noone uses it and I mean this expansion was released 7 years ago so there is nothing to prove anymore lol. If you wana do something hard then go to Ruby Sanctum. I vote for removing this totaly.

#3 » Post by **milanlord** » 24 Sep 2016 14:35

I agree with Arnis, that option is useless. Also I feel bad for Regent, cause you had to go through all of that with all other raid members. That was really dishonorable move to do,from that guy.

#4 » Post by **Eronox** » 24 Sep 2016 14:46

+1 Arnis

#5 » Post by **Nymunne** » 24 Sep 2016 14:59

This was implemented because it is actually blizzlike and in case none of you remembers there have been lots of topics asking for ICC buff to be removed then other players saying it shouldn't be removed then players actually wanting the NPC to work and have it the blizzlike way.

I think there already was a talk/suggestion of this being available only to the RL somewhere in the forums and the reply was already given but at the moment I got no time to look for it. Will try to find it later...

#6 » Post by **Dymond** » 24 Sep 2016 16:01

If I remember it is not possible to make it only available to the RL.

#7 » Post by **Liqueur** » 24 Sep 2016 16:08

I like Regent's suggestion. The feature could be made available to raid leaders and possibly assists only, or if that's not possible, it could be removed completely without any negative consequences. I doubt anyone deliberately removes the buff to try and attempt the raid like that. The only times I've ever seen it being removed was either by "accident" or out of retaliation like in the case Regent described. +1.

#8 » Post by **mcheka** » 24 Sep 2016 16:37

+1 to it being available only to the raid leader if it can be implemented.

We will also look into having a word with the offending player as he is an Inquisition member but it's not the first time he acts like a tool in PUGs.

Nyeriah · #9 » Post by **Nyeriah** » 24 Sep 2016 18:49

You can also just open a ticket and we should be able to enable it for you again.

#10 » Post by **Eronox** » 24 Sep 2016 19:52

Nyeriah wrote:You can also just open a ticket and we should be able to enable it for you again.

Not meaning to sound rude, as I know how it is to be a part of a staff team, but people will always live up a point where no one is active at that very point and therefor will start to blame the staff instead of the troll who disabled the buff

#11 » Post by **adiba** » 24 Sep 2016 20:33

+1 for leaders to be the only one who can do that
Idiots go all "ooooh what does this button do" and its pathetic

#12 » Post by **Gnurg** » 25 Sep 2016 00:05

Nyeriah wrote:You can also just open a ticket and we should be able to enable it for you again.

You do that by respawning the NPC? If so, could you make the NPC respawn by choosing a gossip option (or just have him reenable the buff in whatever way you solve it)?

Making it possible for user to solve this by themselves would be a lot more convient for them and the staff.

Or just disable the gossip option. Not even the almighty Inquistion uses it (except for when they are trolling raids).

#13 » Post by **Jiranthos** » 25 Sep 2016 00:08

Gnurg wrote:
Nyeriah wrote:You can also just open a ticket and we should be able to enable it for you again.
You do that by respawning the NPC?

No. We actually update the instance data. There's a "switch". A variable "on/off" that we can turn on with a command. Nothing to do with NPCs.

#14 » Post by **Gnurg** » 25 Sep 2016 00:27

Jiranthos wrote:
Gnurg wrote:
Nyeriah wrote:You can also just open a ticket and we should be able to enable it for you again.
You do that by respawning the NPC?
No. We actually update the instance data. There's a "switch". A variable "on/off" that we can turn on with a command. Nothing to do with NPCs.

Can the npc hit the switch through gossip?

#15 » Post by **Eronox** » 25 Sep 2016 00:31

Gnurg wrote:
Jiranthos wrote:
Gnurg wrote: You do that by respawning the NPC?
No. We actually update the instance data. There's a "switch". A variable "on/off" that we can turn on with a command. Nothing to do with NPCs.
Can the npc hit the switch through gossip?

There can be a feature created for that, a NPC gossip handler, indeed.

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