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Bladestorm + Shieldwall

#1 » Post by Yebomaycu » 01 Mar 2013 22:33

Some warrs are abusing that, using both at the same time. Is that bannable?

EDIT: bah wrong section, soz.

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Re: Bladestorm + Shieldwall

#2 » Post by marko1984 » 01 Mar 2013 22:53

if its not it should be...
against clother classes thats the end of the fight...
and many abuse it
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Re: Bladestorm + Shieldwall

#3 » Post by Boxis » 01 Mar 2013 23:00

same thing like when bladestorm still continues even after warrior got disarmed... 98/100 wars abuse it

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Re: Bladestorm + Shieldwall

#4 » Post by Toxic Reaper » 02 Mar 2013 08:16

don't forget the warriors that use shieldwall when disarmed by rogues thats a nice bug they been abusing
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Re: Bladestorm + Shieldwall

#5 » Post by Vaen » 02 Mar 2013 14:23

How exactly is using bladestorm and shield wall at the same time an abuse ? I just disarmed myself on my rogue while using bladestorm and I could not use either shield wall or block for 5 seconds, so there's no such thing as using wall while disarmed by rogues as the poster above me says. The only bug I can confirm is what Boxis said about bladestorm not ending after getting disarmed.

I forgot to mention, there seems be some weird bug where whirlwind is also hitting with your naked off-hand when you use one 2-handed or 1-handed weapon to cast it (does not happen for 2x2-handed weapons)
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Re: Bladestorm + Shieldwall

#6 » Post by Arvit » 02 Mar 2013 14:36

You probably need to use shieldwall first and then bladestorm.

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Re: Bladestorm + Shieldwall

#7 » Post by Yebomaycu » 02 Mar 2013 20:21

Idk, but.. just saw some warr yday running alone into few of us horde, poped shield wall and than bladestorm. Should have ssed but forgot. I even think that he has is macroed, so.. clearly abuse.

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Re: Bladestorm + Shieldwall

#8 » Post by Darchrow » 02 Mar 2013 20:25

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Re: Bladestorm + Shieldwall

#9 » Post by marko1984 » 02 Mar 2013 21:01

there are warriors that use shield wall + BS + nitro boots ....
seems like Bone storm lol
just waiting for some GM to tell us it its abuse or not to do this...
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Re: Bladestorm + Shieldwall

#10 » Post by Vaen » 02 Mar 2013 22:54

Maybe I wasn't clear enough... it is perfectly possible to use shield wall while in def stance and with a shield equipped, you may then change to whatever stance you like and cast bladestorm and you will keep shield wall up as long as you keep your shield equipped, there is no abuse at all from doing shield wall + bladestorm (it's kinda stupid to do it unless you need to run away)
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Re: Bladestorm + Shieldwall

#11 » Post by Emcee » 07 Mar 2013 21:31

Vaen wrote:Maybe I wasn't clear enough... it is perfectly possible to use shield wall while in def stance and with a shield equipped, you may then change to whatever stance you like and cast bladestorm and you will keep shield wall up as long as you keep your shield equipped, there is no abuse at all from doing shield wall + bladestorm (it's kinda stupid to do it unless you need to run away)
Nah, still does good damage to clothies if you're being being focused, with a damage reduction buff and freedom on you at the same time.

And yea, I don't think this is abuse really, I tried looking it up (both shield wall and shield block), and there isn't much on it at all. However, on the wiki, and in bladestorm's description, it clearly says the warrior can continue to parry, dodge, or BLOCK while in bladestorm. Therefore, using shield block and then casting bladestorm is fine I think.
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Re: Bladestorm + Shieldwall

#12 » Post by Royal » 07 Mar 2013 23:31

Notes

Bladestorm is an ability with a number of uses:
Can deal a huge amount of damage when multiple targets are within range.
Can be used for removing snares and roots and making you immune to most forms of crowd control.
Can be used if low on rage to maintain DPS while regenerating it.
Can be used to instantly dispatch any number of low level enemies.
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Warriors in Bladestorm can only be stopped if killed.
When snared or rooted, Bladestorm can be used to stay on your opponent, as well as dealing respectable single-target damage. It can also be used as a defence against incoming crowd control effects such as [Polymorph].
You cannot use any other abilities during Bladestorm. This can make it very easy for some classes to escape you, without fear of [Charge], and prevents you from interrupting using abilities such as [Pummel]. If needing to interrupt healers or chase ranged types, consider not using Bladestorm. You can also cancel Bladestorm prematurely by right-clicking the buff, or by using the following macro:
/cancelaura Bladestorm
http://www.wowpedia.org/Bladestorm
Therefore, using shield block and then casting bladestorm is fine I think.
You cannot use any other abilities during Bladestorm.
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Re: Bladestorm + Shieldwall

#13 » Post by Vaen » 07 Mar 2013 23:52

lol Royal you should check what the page says before trying to refute somebody, as Emcee clearly said
Therefore, using shield block and then casting bladestorm is fine I think.
That means it is fine to cast shield block BEFORE bladestorm, or what is the same, casting bladestorm AFTER shield block, or equivalently, if we let t1 be the time at which shield block is cast and t2 the time at which bladestorm is cast he is saying that it is fine for t1 < t2 or for t1 to be smaller than t2 or for t1 to be "earlier" than t2 or that t1 corresponds to the time of an event that happened before an even whose time corresponds to t2. Or you coud also say t2 > t1 which is the same thing.
You cannot USE any other abilities during Bladestorm.
Obviously blocking an attack during bladestorm does not require you to USE anything after t2, since blocking is a PASSIVE ability, there is no contradiction at all from an attack getting blocked during bladestorm with the fact that no spells may be cast or used or utilized or however you prefer to say it during the duration of the bladestorm buff.

I don't think I can make this any clearer.
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Re: Bladestorm + Shieldwall

#14 » Post by Myaoming » 08 Mar 2013 01:35

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Therefore, using shield block and then casting bladestorm is fine I think.
You cannot use any other abilities during Bladestorm.
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Re: Bladestorm + Shieldwall

#15 » Post by Emcee » 08 Mar 2013 19:18

Ultra super duper mega fail, Royal.
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