Season 2 PVP Gear Cost (Primal WoW) (Accepted)

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Season 2 PVP Gear Cost (Primal WoW) (Accepted)

#1 » Post by natnat123 » 30 Dec 2017 02:46

So prep is underway for the Season 2 PVP gear release. Im adding this as a suggestion for the players to comment on.

Do we release the season 2 PVP gear with TBC Values or with slightly lowered costs/arena rating requirements (-10% or -25% something along that) due to the lack of pvp currently going on. this will reduce the grind needed to get these items. personally, i think we should. but this post is here to get everyone elses opinions on the matter.

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Re: Season 2 PVP Gear Cost (Primal WoW)

#2 » Post by Dreadnought101 » 30 Dec 2017 02:52

I agree, theres little incentive for many teams to play arena and when you have a lower pool of teams it is more difficult to climb to high MMR for even high teams, who could trade 9-1 against the only other team available during the weak and loose rank anyway.
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Re: Season 2 PVP Gear Cost (Primal WoW)

#3 » Post by loveable » 30 Dec 2017 08:38

you guys asking to lower curent pvp gear cost and rating , while there are vengful / brutal with same rating as wf and higher arena point price

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=38675
still is open after long time

as i remember before there was a staff rank to decide about pvp suggestion's and etc , i think it will be cool if we find 1 person again for both realm to care about pvp things ans suggestions

my openion is , as primal wow is pve realm , pvp gears should be with emblem price at all
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Re: Season 2 PVP Gear Cost (Primal WoW)

#4 » Post by zant » 30 Dec 2017 08:47

You want my opinion? I will give you my opinion:

There are many other problems that are linked to this one. It is not just an issue of gear cost. Regardless of price you will have a group of people that farms BG/arena and buys the gear and then stops PvPing because there are no real reasons or benefits to PvPing afterwards, and a group of lazybums who say "I don't want to farm that much in PvP" even if you set the price at 10000 honor a piece and won't PvP anyways. They don't buy even the blue set that's worth 5g a piece at honored.

Second, there's the issue with Call to Arms WSG the only realistic way to get honor or BGs at all. Which happens 3 days every month (not enough people for AB, AV or EotS). And those three days are weekends which are best used for raiding for obvious reasons.

There's also the issue with scaling the damage, healing, and mana needs with the HP/resi boost from new PvP gear. Even now, damage nerf makes killing a 10k PvP geared warrior a nightmare.

COsts, be it honor, arena points of rating, should be reduced over 25% due to pop reasons. You can barely get 2v2 WSG going, and arena is even scarcer. But more importantly, you should give a reason to PvP that's not just more PvP gear. Otherwise people will just not queue because 99% of server are RP Heroes.

So yeah, there was a suggestion post with ideas to solve the issues above, but we need to check them before setting prices because they are the reasons people will have for queueing, and this dictates the BG frequency which will determinate the speed at which you will get honor or AP. And you need to know that value before you can set how much is expensive/cheap for gear.

I'm not ranting. I genuinely care about PvP here. More than most do, in fact.

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#5 » Post by natnat123 » 30 Dec 2017 09:27

this post is about costs of the season 2 gear as it needs to be released. the other issues indeed do need looking in to. but this is not the post for it. once season 2 is released, the next thing i will be doing is looking in to what we could do about the other pvp problems.

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#6 » Post by Numquam » 30 Dec 2017 19:07

natnat123 wrote:
30 Dec 2017 09:27
this post is about costs of the season 2 gear as it needs to be released. the other issues indeed do need looking in to. but this is not the post for it. once season 2 is released, the next thing i will be doing is looking in to what we could do about the other pvp problems.
What I meant is that this is a backwards logic. You need to set that other stuff to know how fast or easy it will be to get BGs or arenas. And then you can set the price. If people do 1 BG a day for perhaps daily, you get like 1.5k honor a day. If people do 10 BGs a day, people get like 15k a day. You need to know which so you can set the prices accordingly, or else you might set the price and then notice it was too expensive/cheap anyways.
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#7 » Post by bobsmyname » 30 Dec 2017 20:15

I agree with both of you, as except for PvP, there is no initiative for people to do BGs or arena. The cost should 100% be reduced by at least 10%, 15-20 at max, but there needs to be more of a reason to queue. It is a 99% PvE pop server, so having something that'd benefit the 99% of the pop should bring up the amount of pvp.
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Re: Season 2 PVP Gear Cost (Primal WoW)

#8 » Post by natnat123 » 31 Dec 2017 05:32

ok, so im having a little problem. i cannot set costs manually. that can only be done with things that uses gold currency. i need to use a set list which limits my options. the rating requirement on launch for weapons was 1950? (i think, not 100% sure)
The Arena Point costs for weapons where:
Melee Two Hand - 3750 Arena Points
Melee Main Hand - 2625 Arena Points
Melee One Hand - 2625 Arena Points
Melee Thrown - 1000 Arena Points
Hunter Ranged - 3750 Arena Points
Caster Two Hand - 3750 Arena Points
Caster Main Hand - 3150 Arena Points
Caster Off Hand - 1125 Arena Points
Caster Wand - 1000 Arena Points
Shield - 1875 Arena Points
Relics - 1000 Arena Points

So here are my options to make them cheaper:

COST -------------------- RATING
1300 Arena Points + 1400 Rating
1430 Arena Points + 1400 Rating

2370 Arena Points + 1500 Rating

1125 Arena Points + 1550 Rating
1875 Arena Points + 1550 Rating
2150 Arena Points + 1550 Rating

1300 Arena Points + 1600 Rating
1875 Arena Points + 1600 Rating
2150 Arena Points + 1600 Rating
2370 Arena Points + 1600 Rating

1875 Arena Points + 1650 Rating

675 Arena Points + 1700 Rating
1110 Arena Points + 1700 Rating
1125 Arena Points + 1700 Rating
1260 Arena Points + 1700 Rating
1575 Arena Points + 1700 Rating
1875 Arena Points + 1700 Rating
2150 Arena Points + 1700 Rating

650 Arena Points + 1750 Rating
1000 Arena Points + 1750 Rating
1125 Arena Points + 1750 Rating
1350 Arena Points + 1750 Rating
1875 Arena Points + 1750 Rating
2150 Arena Points + 1750 Rating

300 Arena Points + 1800 Rating
350 Arena Points + 1800 Rating
675 Arena Points + 1800 Rating
900 Arena Points + 1800 Rating
1110 Arena Points + 1800 Rating
1125 Arena Points + 1800 Rating
1150 Arena Points + 1800 Rating
1500 Arena Points + 1800 Rating
1575 Arena Points + 1800 Rating
2100 Arena Points + 1800 Rating
2250 Arena Points + 1800 Rating
2520 Arena Points + 1800 Rating
3000 Arena Points + 1800 Rating

2250 Arena Points + 1810 Rating

1066 Arena Points + 1850 Rating
1100 Arena Points + 1850 Rating
1125 Arena Points + 1850 Rating
1304 Arena Points + 1850 Rating
1875 Arena Points + 1850 Rating
1950 Arena Points + 1850 Rating
2000 Arena Points + 1850 Rating
2625 Arena Points + 1850 Rating
3150 Arena Points + 1850 Rating
3750 Arena Points + 1850 Rating

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Re: Season 2 PVP Gear Cost (Primal WoW)

#9 » Post by zackforester » 31 Dec 2017 06:05

All rating requirements from S1 gear should be removed. AP cost reduction should be 25% higher than retail AP cost reduction.
S1 2H/Hunter Ranged - 2450 AP
S1 MH/1H - 1700 AP
S1 Caster MH - 2025 AP
S1 Caster OH - 735 AP
S1 Thrown/Wand/Relics - 600 AP
S1 Shield/Head/Chest - 1225 AP
S1 Shoulder - 975 AP
S1 Gloves - 735 AP.

Rating requirements for S2 should be 1375 Personal/Team Rating for Weapons and 1500 Personal/Team Rating for Shoulders. AP cost should be reduced by 10%.
S2 2H/Hunter Ranged - 3375 AP
S2 MH/1H - 2350 AP
S2 Caster MH - 2835 AP
S2 Caster OH - 1000 AP
S2 Thrown/Wand/Relic - 900 AP
S2 Shield/Head/Chest - 1675 AP
S2 Shoulder - 1350 AP
S2 Gloves - 1000 AP

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Re: Season 2 PVP Gear Cost (Primal WoW)

#10 » Post by natnat123 » 31 Dec 2017 06:13

zackforester wrote:
31 Dec 2017 06:05
All rating requirements from S1 gear should be removed. AP cost reduction should be 25% higher than retail AP cost reduction.
S1 2H/Hunter Ranged - 2450 AP
S1 MH/1H - 1700 AP
S1 Caster MH - 2025 AP
S1 Caster OH - 735 AP
S1 Thrown/Wand/Relics - 600 AP
S1 Shield/Head/Chest - 1225 AP
S1 Shoulder - 975 AP
S1 Gloves - 735 AP.

Rating requirements for S2 should be 1375 Personal/Team Rating for Weapons and 1500 Personal/Team Rating for Shoulders. AP cost should be reduced by 10%.
S2 2H/Hunter Ranged - 3375 AP
S2 MH/1H - 2350 AP
S2 Caster MH - 2835 AP
S2 Caster OH - 1000 AP
S2 Thrown/Wand/Relic - 900 AP
S2 Shield/Head/Chest - 1675 AP
S2 Shoulder - 1350 AP
S2 Gloves - 1000 AP
i can only go by whats on the list, the lowest arena rating i can go for Rating/Arena Points is 1400 rating and there is only 2 options

anything lower than that is stuff thats honor/Arena Rating or Honor/Arena Points/Arena Rating

Season 1 Gear will have rating requirements removed and costs will be changed. they should be easy to do.
all the Season 2 Gear Apart from weapons will be easy to do also. the weapons are the ones that are a pain due to there being so many different prices with not many options in the lower Rating Requirements bracket

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Re: Season 2 PVP Gear Cost (Primal WoW)

#11 » Post by zackforester » 31 Dec 2017 06:25

natnat123 wrote:
31 Dec 2017 06:13
i can only go by whats on the list, the lowest arena rating i can go for Rating/Arena Points is 1400 rating and there is only 2 options

anything lower than that is stuff thats honor/Arena Rating or Honor/Arena Points/Arena Rating

Season 1 Gear will have rating requirements removed and costs will be changed. they should be easy to do.
all the Season 2 Gear Apart from weapons will be easy to do also. the weapons are the ones that are a pain due to there being so many different prices with not many options in the lower Rating Requirements bracket
There should be a way to bypass the set list. Rating wasn't required on every single piece of gear until Season 6.

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#12 » Post by natnat123 » 31 Dec 2017 06:36

zackforester wrote:
31 Dec 2017 06:25
natnat123 wrote:
31 Dec 2017 06:13
i can only go by whats on the list, the lowest arena rating i can go for Rating/Arena Points is 1400 rating and there is only 2 options

anything lower than that is stuff thats honor/Arena Rating or Honor/Arena Points/Arena Rating

Season 1 Gear will have rating requirements removed and costs will be changed. they should be easy to do.
all the Season 2 Gear Apart from weapons will be easy to do also. the weapons are the ones that are a pain due to there being so many different prices with not many options in the lower Rating Requirements bracket
There should be a way to bypass the set list. Rating wasn't required on every single piece of gear until Season 6.
this is using the blizzard dbc file, and this list is just arena points/Rating. there are alot more which are just Honor, just Arena points ect. but i havent listed those because im only talking about weapons atm. what i meant is i can only go from this list for the stuff that needs Arena Rating/Points. ill be using the other lists for the rest

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#13 » Post by natnat123 » 31 Dec 2017 07:07

ok, so. turns out arena rating requirement was not a thing untill season 3. so that requirement should not be there and shouldnt have been there for season 1. the reason it was added was because some of the weapons are very good for PVE as well. however. i think we should indeed remove the rating requirement as it was in retail. but maybe add more Points cost instead. untill season 3. season 3 is when the rating requirement was added.

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#14 » Post by rvmooney » 01 Jan 2018 01:36

Syleanda here - first post i think xD

I think lowering rates is a good idea for season 2, as I feel it will incentives more pvp participation (less requirements = less commitment or "grind")

This works for people (including me) who play sporadically, rarely raid, but really enjoy the server and the pvp community (as small as it is). I really enjoying building rivalries with players and remembering who i ate last :3

I also feel like (this is a feeling, i have no data xD) pvp balance (across the population as a whole) improves with gear releases and nerfing of prices. This helps me keep up with raiders and more committed players "gear-score" in battlegrounds, and makes for, imo, more interesting games. chances are the game-time and effort raiders have put in to their toons will give them an advantage they have earned anyway, so to me it still feels fair to make pvp gear easier to obtain for us filthy, filthy casuals.

Hope to see you all next pvp weekend - I will maybe be there prowling :3

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#15 » Post by natnat123 » 03 Jan 2018 17:03

ok, so as a result of finding out that season 1 and 2 didnt actually have any rating requirement and only season 3+ did. season 2 will not have rating requirement and the costs will stay the same as they where in tbc retail. because Arena point gain is more with the Wrath client. that means that the costs is actually lower. if we where to have full blizzlike costs right now, then we would have to base it on wrath costs which we are not doing. going to lock this post for now. if anyone thinks the costs need lowering even more (even without the rating requirement and wrath arena point gain. then please make another most about this matter after season 2 is released. the costs can allways be reduced a little more if people think it needs doing.

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