Demonology Lock question
Demonology Lock question
hi all i recently got to 80 on my warlock and have started messing around with dps specs, mainly demonology. I thought b4 that going a felguard for a demo lock was a no brainer but recently ive seen alot of ppl with an imp instead as well as a kind of hybrid demo/conflag build. Just wondering whether an imp is actually better than felguard for a pve demo lock and whether the hybrid build is actually better than going all the way down the demonology tree.
Sorry in advance if this is a noob question
Sorry in advance if this is a noob question
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Re: Demonology Lock question
The deep demo build with Felguard & Demonic Pact is a utility build which supports the raid by giving Demonic Pact buff which is unrivaled when provided by a decently geared warlock, whereas the demo/conflag with Imp build is more for maximum personal dps, but at the cost of lowering raid caster dps & healer hps.
If as raid leader I was given the choice between which of the 2 warlocks I can have in the raid, I'd always prefer a deep demo build lock over a demo/conflag lock, since the difference in their personal dps is never greater than the difference to raid dps / hps provided by the buff.
If as raid leader I was given the choice between which of the 2 warlocks I can have in the raid, I'd always prefer a deep demo build lock over a demo/conflag lock, since the difference in their personal dps is never greater than the difference to raid dps / hps provided by the buff.
Re: Demonology Lock question
Peanuts wrote:Just wondering whether an imp is actually better than felguard for a pve demo lock
as Demonology, start off with Felguard, and switch to Imp at 35%. You can macro Fel Domination with Imp to not waste time. The profit from this is that you get 5% Fire crit (for Soulfire) at the cost of around 40 Spellpower. But keep in mind that currently the Imp does greater damage than the Felguard, since minions are basically bugged, and the Felguard isn't glyphed.
And actually with working minions, you shouldn't think of doing that because the Felguard's damage should be important to keep, but for now..
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Re: Demonology Lock question
Oh I never thought of using this gonna test it next raidMyaoming wrote:Peanuts wrote:Just wondering whether an imp is actually better than felguard for a pve demo lock
as Demonology, start off with Felguard, and switch to Imp at 35%. You can macro Fel Domination with Imp to not waste time. The profit from this is that you get 5% Fire crit (for Soulfire) at the cost of around 40 Spellpower. But keep in mind that currently the Imp does greater damage than the Felguard, since minions are basically bugged, and the Felguard isn't glyphed.
And actually with working minions, you shouldn't think of doing that because the Felguard's damage should be important to keep, but for now..
& that reminds me, should post on bugtracker that Glyph of Felguard is not working atm.
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Demonology Lock question
Most of the things related to pets/minions don't work properly as the damage of felguard or BM pet.
I would choose demonology over hybird due to providing a good amount of spower (like 400) to raid regardless of dps loss.
I would choose demonology over hybird due to providing a good amount of spower (like 400) to raid regardless of dps loss.
Re: Demonology Lock question
so basically i shud stick to the "classic" felguard spec for raids but switch to something else like imp or hybrid if there alredy is a demo
thanks for the info guys, appreciate it
thanks for the info guys, appreciate it
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Re: Demonology Lock question
Kind of yes, if there is already a demo in raid, it's better to pick another spec. However, it should be more like which spec you enjoy more. I never tried destro in pve, but i found demo is more fun to play.
Re: Demonology Lock question
I believe a Demo build manages same DPS as the hybrid one if well played.
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Re: Demonology Lock question
Sometimes even more since buff stacking is more beneficial to demo. Anyhow you should play the spec which you enjoy more, not what others demand.Myaoming wrote:I believe a Demo build manages same DPS as the hybrid one if well played.
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Re: Demonology Lock question
hello
im completly noob to locks, its my first time lvling one and im looking for max dps output pve lock here on truewow.
at end game gear on blizz ive heard that affli lock is the best bet, but here i hear demonology (even withouth felguard but with imp) is what im searching for
at any rate, the talent spec ive been thinking of is this one using imp, metamorphosis and quick decay glyphs.
if anyone has any suggestion please feel free to bounce em off
im completly noob to locks, its my first time lvling one and im looking for max dps output pve lock here on truewow.
at end game gear on blizz ive heard that affli lock is the best bet, but here i hear demonology (even withouth felguard but with imp) is what im searching for
at any rate, the talent spec ive been thinking of is this one using imp, metamorphosis and quick decay glyphs.
if anyone has any suggestion please feel free to bounce em off
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Re: Demonology Lock question
Oh we were only debating the difference between deep-demo & hybrid demo-destro builds, I'm pretty sure affli does more with good gear than either of those specs.hugeegosorry wrote:hello
im completly noob to locks, its my first time lvling one and im looking for max dps output pve lock here on truewow.
at end game gear on blizz ive heard that affli lock is the best bet, but here i hear demonology (even withouth felguard but with imp) is what im searching for
at any rate, the talent spec ive been thinking of is this one using imp, metamorphosis and quick decay glyphs.
if anyone has any suggestion please feel free to bounce em off
Re: Demonology Lock question
Hm, i'm wondering what are good glyphs for imp spec. quick decay, corruption, imp?
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You can just look it up on armory . Anyway here is an example http://www.truewow.org/armory/talents.php?n=Uwel&sp=0.
Re: Demonology Lock question
Hm, is it not better to put 2 points in Fel Synergy and only 1 in Master Summoner since you summon your pet only once in whole raid probably and few times more if it somehow die in combat, and keep him more under healing from 100% chance to heal for 15% of damage you deal?
Also what is rotation here?
Also what is rotation here?
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Re: Demonology Lock question
but isnt this spec the best for overall dps? even for personal? i mean i have heard affli MIGHT only be SLIGHTLY better than demo pve wise, but demo has spellpower raid buff, so there is no contest.Relina wrote:Oh we were only debating the difference between deep-demo & hybrid demo-destro builds, I'm pretty sure affli does more with good gear than either of those specs.hugeegosorry wrote:hello
im completly noob to locks, its my first time lvling one and im looking for max dps output pve lock here on truewow.
at end game gear on blizz ive heard that affli lock is the best bet, but here i hear demonology (even withouth felguard but with imp) is what im searching for
at any rate, the talent spec ive been thinking of is this one using imp, metamorphosis and quick decay glyphs.
if anyone has any suggestion please feel free to bounce em off
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