Prot pally single target threat

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Re: Prot pally single target threat

#121 » Post by natnat123 » 06 Oct 2017 12:11

buff the one handed mellee weapon damage talent, easy fix.

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Re: Prot pally single target threat

#122 » Post by Dunkelstein » 06 Oct 2017 12:19

natnat123 wrote:
06 Oct 2017 12:11
buff the one handed mellee weapon damage talent, easy fix.
+1
If possible this is probably even better than increasing RF threat (RF threat increases all the AoE abilities, too).
Ontop of that mana can still be tuned if that's not enough, as was already done (see Anesthesia's post).

DO NOT decrease the CD for Avenger's Shield, it's not a single target ability.
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Re: Prot pally single target threat

#123 » Post by jetteroo » 06 Oct 2017 12:32

natnat123 wrote:
06 Oct 2017 12:11
buff the one handed mellee weapon damage talent, easy fix.
+1 too. simplest and least controversial way from a player pov without unbalancing any other spec. Which was what i suggested initially until i was told talents tweaking is difficult. but seeing the way the discussions are going and the uproar, this would be the best way, awaiting staff/developer's feedback

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Re: Prot pally single target threat

#124 » Post by natnat123 » 06 Oct 2017 12:36

the only thing that needs changing is the % value that the talent gives per point. i dont know all that much about database stuff. but i cant see something like that being hard, i could probably figure it out if i had the correct software to access database files ect

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Re: Prot pally single target threat

#125 » Post by Eronox » 06 Oct 2017 13:05

natnat123 wrote:
06 Oct 2017 12:36
the only thing that needs changing is the % value that the talent gives per point. i dont know all that much about database stuff. but i cant see something like that being hard, i could probably figure it out if i had the correct software to access database files ect
Righteous fury?
it's already set to 100% bonus threat.
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Re: Prot pally single target threat

#126 » Post by natnat123 » 06 Oct 2017 13:12

Eronox wrote:
06 Oct 2017 13:05
natnat123 wrote:
06 Oct 2017 12:36
the only thing that needs changing is the % value that the talent gives per point. i dont know all that much about database stuff. but i cant see something like that being hard, i could probably figure it out if i had the correct software to access database files ect
Righteous fury?
it's already set to 100% bonus threat.
no, the bonus % damage from the 1 handed mellee weapon talent

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Re: Prot pally single target threat

#127 » Post by natnat123 » 06 Oct 2017 13:14

one-handed melee weapon specialization

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Re: Prot pally single target threat

#128 » Post by Fitzpatrick » 06 Oct 2017 13:26

That buff would be indistinguishable from buffing RF, *again*, in terms of threat. Why buff the damage talent instead?
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Re: Prot pally single target threat

#129 » Post by natnat123 » 06 Oct 2017 13:28

Fitzpatrick wrote:
06 Oct 2017 13:26
That buff would be indistinguishable from buffing RF, *again*, in terms of threat. Why buff the damage talent instead?
RF buffs all threat, buffing 1 handed mellee damage would only buff single target and wouldnt affect other specs, quite obvious really

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Re: Prot pally single target threat

#130 » Post by Nyeriah » 06 Oct 2017 13:38

Are we talking about the same thing? http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/One-Hande ... in_talent)
This affects all damage done, not just melee auto attacks.

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Re: Prot pally single target threat

#131 » Post by natnat123 » 06 Oct 2017 13:39

Nyeriah wrote:
06 Oct 2017 13:38
Are we talking about the same thing? http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/One-Hande ... in_talent)
This affects all damage done, not just melee auto attacks.
yes and rip then

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Re: Prot pally single target threat

#132 » Post by jetteroo » 06 Oct 2017 14:20

natnat123 wrote:
06 Oct 2017 13:39
Nyeriah wrote:
06 Oct 2017 13:38
Are we talking about the same thing? http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/One-Hande ... in_talent)
This affects all damage done, not just melee auto attacks.
yes and rip then
rip +1... didnt read the fineprint

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Re: Prot pally single target threat

#133 » Post by Dunkelstein » 06 Oct 2017 17:02

Is there a way to increase/create threat gain of Vindication?
https://truewow.org/armory/spell.php?id=67&realm=p
Would that threat still apply, even if there is another similar debuff on the target? (Demoralizing Shout etc.)

It only procs on direct hits (melee, Judgement, Avenger's Shield...) so it wouldn't increase aoe threat by much.
Holy and Retri Paladins don't usually use this talent in PvE.
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Re: Prot pally single target threat

#134 » Post by Nyeriah » 06 Oct 2017 17:16

I think we are past the point here, the idea with all those custom changes that were applied to classes was to make every spec work. But lately it seems like that at the slightest issue people find they demand a change.

Not every class has the best performance at every scenario, and arbitrary changing things so they are all exceeding at everything they do is just breaking the game, and leads to this sort of slippery slope.

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Re: Prot pally single target threat

#135 » Post by Dunkelstein » 06 Oct 2017 18:21

^I agree. Please lock this or move it out of Suggestions.

As long as tanks struggle with threat the dps will just have to watch theirs.
Also I believe nerfs are coming up for current content with the next release. T4 will be available to anyone and should boost Paladin threat by a lot.
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