Holy Paladin PVE guide.

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Holy Paladin PVE guide.

#1 » Post by Justicelight » 25 Dec 2014 12:37

Hello everyone, here is a guide for Holy paladins PvE. During this guide you will find informations regarding the ways of holy`ing with a paladin, specs, gems, what stats you should seek in the end game gear togheter with little tweaks which makes the difference between a regular holy paladin and a good, useful, holy paladin...

Introduction


First of all there are two ways of healing with a holy paladin: Flash of Light oriented vs Holy Light oriented. This guide is about Holy Light oriented holy paladins.

What does Holy Light oriented means?
-> main stat: intellect.
-> neglect spellpower bonuses from gemming, enchants.
-> main spell casted: Holy Light.

Talents and Glyphs
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[hide="Talents comments"]o Why not Improved Concentration aura talent?
-> The pushback without the talent is not felt while casting. Only useful fight that can make use of this talent is at transition phase during Lich King encounter which reduces the silence duration. Not worth if you look at the other talents.

o Why go for critical strike rating talent (Sanctity of Battle) instead of maximizing the healing talent (Divinity) ?
-> A holy light oriented paladin should focus on getting as much crit as they can from gear, gems and spec. Why? Due to Illumination talent, which gives mana for each critical strike heal done. A Holy Light paladin should focus on mana returning not mana regeneration.

o Why 1/2 Enlighted Judgements, 1/2 Improved Blessing of Wisdom and 1/2 Improved Lay on Hands?
-> Utility. You don't need 2/2 Enlighted Judgements in most of the fights. Bonus granted from 1/2 to 2/2 IBoW is not that high so it is worth killing a talent from there. 1/2 Improved Lay of Hands is mostly due to the buff that the ability gives when used (Reduces phisical damage taken by 10%, which stacks with similar effects from Disco priest talent and Resto shaman talent, boosting the defense of the tank in some situations.)

o Blessed Hands 2/2: This talent can be a life saver in most of situations when you will use Hand of Sacrifice. From my own experience I saved a wipe at Blood Council by doing Hand of Sacrifice with this talent 2/2, on the Keleseth tank in 25man heroic. It dropped my hp very low and tank survived that one blow with very low hp left. On top of this, improving the threat ammount decreased by Hand of Salvation through this talent is always welcomed. Very good utility talent.

o Why 2/2 Improved Judgements?
-> Having the cooldown reduced on Judgements can allow the paladin to put Judgement of Light on multiple targets at once, useful.[/hide]

[hide="Glyph comments"]o Glyph of Seal of Wisdom: Excelent mana save tool since holy light mana cost is high.

o Glyph of Beacon of Light: Use this mostly due to indirect mana save, aprox. 1400 mana is spent when you refresh beacon, so you want to reduce the number of times you cast this ability during a raid since it costs more mana than Holy Light.

o Glyph of Holy Light: Best glyph ever made for a holy paladin. The off heal of 4+1 10% ammount may not seem high, but with good critical rating and often Holy Light crits, this glyph is mostly second, sometime first in healing recount.

o Minor glyphs: self explained.[/hide]

Gemming


Meta gem: Insightful Earthsiege Diamond (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=41401)
Head slot: Nightmare`s Tear (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=49110)
All other gem slots: Brilliant King's Amber (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40123)

[hide="Gems comments"]o Intellect gives these stats:

"21 Intellect, with BoK and Divine Intellect
1815 Mana at the start of the fight
37.8Mp5 from Divine Plea, if it is used on CD.
18.1Mp5 from Replenishment.
4.54Mp5 from Arcane Torrent, if you are a Blood Elf.
24.2 Spell Power
0.726% Spell Crit"

All of these bonus stats are a need for Holy Light oriented holy paladins. (quoted ElitistJerks)

o Nightmare's Tear: to activate meta. Why head slot? At end gear that is the best bonus to get (+9 spell power).

o Insightful Earthsiege Diamond: Good mana fountain during a fight, and solid intellect bonus.[/hide]

Enchanting


Headslot: Arcanum of Blissful Mending (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44152)
Shoulders: Greater Inscription of the Crag (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44134)
Cloak: Scroll of Enchant Cloak - Greater Speed (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=39003)
Chest: Scroll of Enchant Chest - Exceptional Mana (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=38912)
Wrist: Scroll of Enchant Bracers - Exceptional Intellect (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=38968)
Weapon: Scroll of Enchant Weapon - Spellsurge (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=38926)
Shield: Scroll of Enchant Shield - Greater Intellect (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44455)
Hands: Scroll of Enchant Gloves - Exceptional Spellpower (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=38979)
Waist: Eternal Belt Buckle (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=41611)
Legs: Brilliant Spellthread (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=41602)
Feet: Scroll of Enchant Boots - Icewalker (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=38986)

[hide="Enchants comments"]o Chest mana enchant vs +10 all stats. Yes, higher mana pool in any condition.

o Feet enchant: hit + crit. Mostly used due to crit bonus. Best is Engineering enchant (24 crit rating)

o Hands enchant: spellpower. No other alternative. Best is Engineering enchant (+haste bonus on use each 1 minute)[/hide]

Stats. Best in slot gear.


There is a debate going on regarding which stats a Holy Light oriented paladin should follow. The discussions are about critical strike rating, haste and mp5. There are two types of gear a Holy Paladin should seek to use:

1) Haste + mp5 gear (Example: Belt of the Blood Nova - http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50671)
2) Critical strike rating + haste gear (Example: Crushing Coldwraith Belt - http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50613)

From my point of view, as stated before, a holy paladin should focus mainly on mana save and return instead of regeneration. Regeneration is good, helps, but mana save&return should be the priority. So the best itemization for a Holy Paladin is 2) Critical strike rating + haste gear.

Headslot: Sanctified Lightsworn Headpiece (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51272)
Shoulders: Sanctified Lightsworn Spaulders (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51273)
Neck: Blood Queen's Crimson Choker (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50724)
Cloak: Frostbinder's Shredded Cape (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50628)
Chest:Sanctified Lightsworn Tunic (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51274
Wrist: Crypt Keeper's Bracers (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50721)
Weapon: Bloodsurge, Kel'Thuzad's Blade of Agony (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50732)
Shield: Bulwark of Smouldering Steel (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50616
Libram: Libram of Renewal (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40705)
Hands: Fallen Lord's Handguards (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50650)
Belt: Crushing Coldwraith Belt (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50613)
Legs: Sanctified Lightsworn Greaves (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51271)
Feet: Plague Scientist's Boots (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50699)
Ring1: Ring of Rapid Ascent (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50664)
Ring2: Marrowgar's Frigid Eye/Ashen Band of Endless Wisdom (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50610/htt ... item=50400)
Trinket1: Meteorite Crystal (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=46051)
Trinket2: Solace of the Fallen (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47432)

[hide="Gear discussion"]As stated before, these gears all have crit/haste on them. Now the debate can be made on several items:

o Meteorite Crystal: Yes, best in slot of Holy Light based paladin. The tooltip wasn`t updated by blizzard in earlier patches, and it actually gives 75 mp5 per stack, at max stacks giving around 1875 mp5 (huge). You can gain a stack from beacon aswell, so you basicly gain 2 stacks per cast. From my experience, you gain 20 stacks when you have around 8 seconds left of the regen buff.

o Libram of Renewal: Such a low gearscore item? Yes, but very effective. 113 mana save on Holy Light, analogically speaking makes your 10th casted Holy Light mana cost to be 0. This works very well combined with Glyph of Seal of Wisdom (Check glyph section).[/hide]

Averagely geared paladin: How to get back on the track.


You have average gear score and you don't know what to do from that point to the BiS road end? Your gear is a mess?

1) Farm EoF for Tier10 pieces: Headslot + Shoulders (most important)

2) Buy with emblems:
-> Purified Lunar Dust (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50358) (pre gear for Solace trinket)
-> Gauntlets of Overexposure (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50976) (pre gear for BiS hands)
-> Talisman of Resurgence (pre gear for Meteoryte Cristal trinket)

3) Buy BoE items:
-> Belt of the Lonely Noble (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50451)
-> Earthsoul Boots (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=49896) - crafted item
-> Marrowgar's Frigid Eye (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=49967)
-> Blood Queen's Crimson Choker (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50182)
-> Crypt Keeper's Bracers (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50175)

Addons

- Power Auras: very good for tracking cooldowns.
- Heal Bot: everything a paladin needs to heal/support.
- Dhud3: Hp/mana bars right in middle of the screen.
- MoveAnything: Customize almost anything from UI.

Few of them can be found at: http://www.truewow.org/download.

Raid tips


This section is about specific things about healing with a paladin, and it will be updated further depending if you have any questions.

[hide="Conjunction of Divine Plea, Avenging Wrath and Divine Illumination."]-Divine plea (http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=54428) cuts all the paladin healing output for around 50%.
-Avenging Wrath (http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=66011) increases the paladin healing output for 20%.
-Divine Illumination with 2xT10 pieces (http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=70755) increases paladin healing output for 35%.

Most of the time, we use the last two cooldowns with Divine Plea to make up for the healing loss while gaining mana. But, even if you use Avenging Wrath + Divine Illumination with Divine Plea, overall your output will be decreased by around 10% of your heal for the whole 15 seconds duration of the Plea.

That's why you should struggle to gain mana during fight from anything else except Divine Plea, and keep your heal increasing cooldowns. If you really have problems with mana, ask a druid (or two :D) for inervate once per fight.

As a side note, RS trinket, http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=54589, get's its heal output boosted by Avenging Wrath and Divine Illumination, so it's good to keep the cooldowns and use them togheter with this item.

What do I do in raid: Let's say you have 3 cooldowns (Divine Illumination, RS trinket, Avenging Wrath). I never use Divine Illumination and Avenging Wrath togheter. If the raid healing is decent, what I do is I use one cooldown now, next one after 1 minute and the last one after another minute. In raids that doesn't take much time, I use RS trinket togheter with one of the other two cooldowns, and I keep the one that is left for another in-need moment.[/hide]


My case

Here you can observe how the stats look like with almost bis gear. (Still missing heroic hc T10 shoulders.)
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Thanks everyone for reading this. I used a source of information + I edited everything from my point of view.

Used Fastor`s fast guide layout. (http://www.truewow.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=14170)

Constructive comments are welcomed.

This is available for pre RS25hc gears. When RS25hc opens, I will update the tables.

Main source: http://forums.elitistjerks.com/topic/90 ... play-them/
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Re: Holy Paladin PVE guide.

#2 » Post by Justicelight » 25 Dec 2014 12:38

**Reserved space for updates**

28/07/2015 -> Ruby sanctum 25 heroic update:

Wrist: Bracers of Fiery Night (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=54582)
Cloak: Cloak of Burning Dusk (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=54583)
Ring: upgrade to Ring of Phased Regeneration (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=54585) only if you were using Marrowgar's Frigid Eye (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50610)
Belt: Split Shape Belt (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=54587)
Feet: Foreshadow Steps (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=54586)
*Trinket: Glowing Twilight Scale (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=54589) replace Meteorite Crystal (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=46051)

* - only for Val'anyr, Hammer of Ancient Kings (http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=46017) users.
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#3 » Post by Justicelight » 25 Dec 2014 12:38

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#4 » Post by Bluebell » 25 Dec 2014 14:28

A nice guide, didnt have time to read it all, but the talents caught my eye. Firstly, surprised you didnt take the improved movenment speed, I find it useful in nearly everyfight, and secondly you dont explain the blessed hands talent. I understand why but a lot of people dont take it, so perhaps explaining why would be good.

You could perhaps explain why you dont use some popular glyphs such as holy shock; seal of light and flash of light

Oh and http://www.truewow.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=102 wrong section no?
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Re: Holy Paladin PVE guide.

#5 » Post by Errorista » 25 Dec 2014 14:38

1. First /slap for saying you can use Judgement of Light on multiple targets at once.

2. Second and big /slap for 1/2 Improved Blessing of Wisdom. Raid benefit > your personal benefit. Shame on you :D

3. How is +20 spirit better than +30 stamina for holy paladin? I mean that legs enchant ofc.

4. What about mentioning how Divine Plea work with conjunction with Avenging Wrath and Divine Illumination(T10 bonus) here on TW? I am confused myself there :(

5. Nice post. Jelly.

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#6 » Post by Justicelight » 25 Dec 2014 15:25

Errorista wrote: 2. Second and big /slap for 1/2 Improved Blessing of Wisdom. Raid benefit > your personal benefit. Shame on you :D
I haven`t gained any personal benefit, every talent swapped in the holy tree around which I have is ment for raid utility, not personal benefit.
Errorista wrote:3. How is +20 spirit better than +30 stamina for holy paladin? I mean that legs enchant ofc.
Personal preference, I remember Bluebell mocking me about it too. :D
Errorista wrote: 4. What about mentioning how Divine Plea work with conjunction with Avenging Wrath and Divine Illumination(T10 bonus) here on TW? I am confused myself there :(
All of this will go under the "Tips" section which will be added later.

@Blue, Thanks for tips and updated Blessed hands. Will update later the other glyphs aswell, but this is really what you need to get when Bis or close to best in slot. Not a guide fresh 80. Maybe i`ll rename it )

And maybe it can stay here, until I do few changes to it, i`ll move it later.
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#7 » Post by Errorista » 25 Dec 2014 16:01

Seriously take 2/2 Improved Blessing of Wisdom. No discussion here.

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Re: Holy Paladin PVE guide.

#8 » Post by Fastor » 25 Dec 2014 16:49

Errorista wrote:Seriously take 2/2 Improved Blessing of Wisdom. No discussion here.
And Improved conce. Not for your rotation but for benefits for group. Nice guide btw.

@Blue

Well l like where guide is due to reason this is for Paladin, so keep it in Paladin section. Other guides that should be there are non class related, similar to general. Same as DK guide that l prefer in DK section not there.

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#9 » Post by Bluebell » 25 Dec 2014 17:25

Then half the guides in the section should be moved
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#10 » Post by Nyeriah » 25 Dec 2014 17:35

Bluebell wrote:Then half the guides in the section should be moved
Correct...

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#11 » Post by Fastor » 25 Dec 2014 17:43

Nyeriah wrote:
Bluebell wrote:Then half the guides in the section should be moved
Correct...
Agreed, both.

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#12 » Post by Justicelight » 25 Dec 2014 17:56

Fastor wrote: And Improved conce. Not for your rotation but for benefits for group. Nice guide btw.
The reason why I don`t take Improved Concentration aura is because almost every caster class have pushback reduction talents, which togheter with normal aura will be okay. All of this + silence is not worth 3 points spent because I see this more as an pvp talent.
Errorista wrote: Seriously take 2/2 Improved Blessing of Wisdom. No discussion here.
What talent do you recommend removing 1 point from?
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#13 » Post by w00le » 25 Dec 2014 18:44

In those updates post a "how to get solace" guide please.

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#14 » Post by Fastor » 25 Dec 2014 19:14

Justicelight wrote:which togheter with normal aura will be okay.
75% :(

http://www.truewow.org/talent-calculato ... f0o:iNzVc0

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Re: Holy Paladin PVE guide.

#15 » Post by Rascall » 25 Dec 2014 19:40

There is also alternative to the retribution subspec that is protection subspec but that should be used in the very end game with a lot of critical so u can skip the retri talents. The point of this subspec is Divine Sacrifice+Divine Guardian talents that shields whole raid plus boosts Sacred Shield. Improved Devotion Aura talent might come in handy when there is no resto druid around for increased healing buff. Improved RF should be used only when u can count on your tanks so u dont pull aggro but 6% reduced damage might help sometimes. Rest talents are only fillers to gain the abovementioned talents but that´s the same situation like with the retri subspec...
Rascall Retribution/Holy
Rascallus Blood (tank)/Unholy (DPS)
Rascalluz Affliction/Demonology
Rascalles Feral (bear)/Balance
Rascallez Assassination
Rascallis Arms (DPS)/Arms (tank)
Razcall Marksmanship/Survival
Razcallus Fury/Protection
Razcalluz Feral (cat)/Restoration
Razcalles Combat/Subtlety
Razcaellez Beast Mastery
Razcaell Discipline/Holy
Razcaelllus Enhancement/Restoration
Razcaelluz Blood (DPS)/Frost (tank)
Razcaelles Elemental/Spellhance
Razcaellez Arcane/Frostfire
Rascaell Protection
Rascaellus Frost (DPS)/Unholy (tank)
Rascaelluz Fire/Frost
Rascaelles Shadow
Rascaellez Destruction

...and more...

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