These stats don't make sense to me...

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These stats don't make sense to me...

#1 » Post by Etro » 23 Oct 2014 02:45

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The only shortcoming of Repurposed Lava Dredger vs Witch Doctor's Wildstaff that I care about is -21 agility, which equals -21 attack power. Then Repurposed Lava Dregder still has +201 attack power more than Witch Doctor's Wildstaff. Yet, Damage and Power stats decrease when I have Repurposed Lava Dredger equiped.

Can anyone explain, please?
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#2 » Post by Vaen » 23 Oct 2014 03:44

I think the attack power in forms is not being correctly calculated somewhere, informant is saying you get 134 AP in forms from equipping the mace but the tooltip says they give 1361 and 1315 AP in forms respectively.
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#3 » Post by Etro » 23 Oct 2014 03:52

I get +134 AP in forms with this calculation:

1361 - 1315 = +46

46 + 88 = +134

Then, still, I should have +113 AP in forms (134 - 21[agy the mace doesn't have]) while equiping the mace. Yet I'm loosing 165 AP when equiping the mace.
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#4 » Post by Blacklustersoldier » 23 Oct 2014 04:02

you know that agi gives 2 AP for cats right?
1 for the buff, and 1 from just being in cat form... atleast according to wikipedia...
as for the rest of results, talents? extra AP in cat form, extra agi, extra everything... sry I can't be of much help
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#5 » Post by Etro » 23 Oct 2014 04:10

The proportion of agy and AP on cats is 1:1, according to my stats:

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Agy doesn't give AP in any other form.
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#6 » Post by Naljs » 23 Oct 2014 06:07

I believe there is a talent that increases attack power based on the weapons item level? I literally just woke up so I might be thinking about something else.. but I believe there is something like that, and that might explain why since heirlooms are level 1.
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#7 » Post by Etro » 23 Oct 2014 06:13

I've never heard of that. There isn't anything like that on druid's talents, though.
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#8 » Post by Naljs » 23 Oct 2014 06:20

Well there is something about the strength of the weapon, can't remember exactly. And my guess is heirlooms counts as weaker because WoW is wonderful. I would say the answer lies in the talents, though I can't say which one because honestly I don't fully understand feral talents. How do I get like +300% attack power when going into cat, what talents states that.. I actually never could be bothered calculating that..
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#9 » Post by Blacklustersoldier » 23 Oct 2014 06:27

if you drop cat form, you will see that agi gives no AP to you, once you switch into cat form, you gain 1 AP from your agi + AP equal to feral buff + agi
so... all in all,you get like 2ap per point of agility
test it out without talents and no gear, and see how your AP gets modified
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#10 » Post by Etro » 23 Oct 2014 07:01

I tested it without talents and no gear:

--Base Agility: 85
--Base Strenght: 84 (148 attack power: 1 strength = 1.77 attack power, aprox.)

While not in cat form:

--Melee attack power: 148 (from strength)

While in cat form:

--Melee attack power: 549

148 (AP from strength) + 85 (from agy) + 158 (from cat form buff) = 391?? The only way it can hit 549 is if the cat form buff AP is counted twice: 148 + 85 +158 * 2 = 549. It doesn't result 549 if agy is counted twice: 148 + 85*2 + 158 = 476.
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#11 » Post by Frewdis » 23 Oct 2014 07:49

ps0 = Predatory Strikes Effect 0 value as a %
ps1 = Predatory Strikes Effect 1 value as a %
IFFB = Item feral form bonus
Cat form
Base attack power = lvl * (ps0 + 2) + str * 2 + agi - 20 + (IFFB*ps1) + IFFB
Attack mod = Feral form passive aura bonus lvl*2
Attack power = Base + Attack mod

So AP is 158+168+64 = 391 + mod(158) = 549

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#12 » Post by Etro » 23 Oct 2014 07:57

Can you elaborate more on ps0 and ps1, please?
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#13 » Post by Nyeriah » 23 Oct 2014 08:10

"Increases your melee attack power in Cat, Bear and Dire Bear forms by 50% of your level and 7% of any attack power on your equipped weapon". - Rank 1 of predatory strikes

ps0 = effect on level
ps1 = effect bonus from weapon

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#14 » Post by Etro » 23 Oct 2014 10:23

So, with full gear and talents on, I have, in cat form:

With 2H mace on = Power: 4234 (3014+1220)

Calculation:

Base AP: 79(150%+2) + 178*2 + 765 - 20 + (1361*20%) + 1361 = 3010.7
Attack mod: (951 [AP from gear and enhancements] + 158 [Feral form passive aura bonus lvl*2]) * 110% (Heart of the Wild % + 100% AP. To make it short) = 1219.9
AP: 3010.7+1219.9 = 4230.6 (3.4 points off, but pretty close.)

With Staff on: Power = 4399 (3276 + 1123)

Calculation:

Base AP: 79(150%+2) + 178*2 + 788 - 20 + (1315*20%) + 1315 = 2978.5
Attack mod: (863 [AP from gear and enhancements] + 158 [Feral form passive aura bonus lvl*2]) * 110% (Heart of the Wild % + 100% AP. To make it short) = 1123.1
AP: 2978.5+1123.1 = 4101.6 (297.4 points off. Not close at all.)

If the formula provided by Frewdis is correct and if I applied it correctly, the AP provided by the staff is not being calculated correctly by the server :O .
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#15 » Post by Hansrutger » 23 Oct 2014 11:22

Let's close down the server for maintenance because of this issue please.
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