Wotlk values of TBC tailoring sets

[flosr1]

As most casters already know, the values of the TBC tailoring sets changed with WOTLK.
in TBC, the "Shadow's Embrace" set was BIS for warlocks and shadowpriests until t5 if i remember correctly.

The old values gave a combined Frostspellpower or Shadowspellpower of 179. Now with the WOTLK values, you can only get 147 Spellpower from the "Shadow's Embrace", while you get 140 Spellpower and 69 Crit rating from "Wrath of Spellfire". The old "Wrath of Spellfire" on the other hand only gave Nature or Firespellpower, 172 of both.


This creates 2 problems:

1. With the new values, casters kinda need to go for "Wrath of Spellfire". I kinda would like to have a choice between those two sets here, since i prefer Spellpower over Crit for some classes/specs.

2. No one really wants to take Shadowweave Tailoring like this. But Shadowcloth is needed for some items and this will most likely lead to a lack of Shadowcloth and extremly retarded prices since it will take very long to get a few of them without having the proc chance from the Shadowweave Specialization.


It would be kinda difficult to change both sets back to two schools of magic only, since moonkins and elemental shamans would have a big disadvantage then. So i can see why Blizzard made this change (although no one really used TBC items in a wrath client anymore)

My suggestion would be to increase the Spellpower of the "Shadow's Embrace" to make it viable again and to give tailors a reason to take the Shadowweave Specialization and to actually bring back that set out of needlessness.

[skyx]

Yeah.

It is kind of dumb to see ALL tailors being SpellCloth specialised at the moment.

[Flooded]

The frozen shadowweave set was only worn for brief periods of time by caster dps; most replaced it with T4 fairly quickly.

What niche would frozen shadowweave serve within PvE raiding? What actual harm is it doing?

Each of the three cool downs are separate which means they aren't in direct competition from an economic perspective. Shadowcloth is still used for crafting throughout the expansion.

The only valid argument you've made is that it wasn't this way in actual TBC.

[skyx]

The frozen shadowweave set was only worn for brief periods of time by caster dps; most replaced it with T4 fairly quickly.

Really now?

I remember frozen shadoweave being super useful for Shadow Priests until late TBC content

Also, here are some comments from an old webpage:

http://wow-ladies.livejournal.com/6002036.html

"The boots will last you til tier 6 from sunwell. "

"The first thing I replaced was my shoulders with the Hatefury Mantle out of Hyjal."

"Basically, keep FSW to T6."

The only problem I have with the set is not for PvE purposes but for the high demand and low supply of Shadow Cloth by the server.

If you guys are willing to fudge the numbers up for actual class abilities then making frozen shadow weave less sh1zz shouldn't be a problem.

CLASSES

Druid - Shred damage scaling increased by 10% in PvE environments

Druid - Rip damage scaling increased by 50% in PvE environments

Druid - Rake DOT damage scaling increased by 42% in PvE environments

Druid - Rake Initial Damage scaling increased by 75% in PvE environments

Druid - Ferocious Bite Damage scaling increased by 25% in PvE environments

Hunter - Steady Shot damage scaling increased by 85% in PvE environments

Hunter - Aimed Shot damage scaling increased by 65% in PvE environments

Hunter - Arcane Shot Damage scaling increased by 65% in PvE environments

Hunter - Black Arrow Damage scaling increased by 65% in PvE environments

Hunter - Serpent Sting Damage scaling increased by 85% in PvE environments

Hunter - Black Arrow Damage scaling increased by 65% in PvE environments

Hunter - Multishot Damage scaling increased by 85% in PvE environments

[Flooded]

But my point still stands in context of PrimalWoW, maybe not in Blizzlike 2.0-2.4.3 patches. You would like this specific set buffed for no reason other than you don't like that everyone is going spellcloth tailoring.

So let's say we do what you want and buff Frozen Shadow weave: what are the consequences? All the players who have heavily invested into spellcloth now have to do a 180 into shadow cloth? Frozen shadowweave becomes the new "bis". Same problem, different flavor.

Do the classes who have access to either set need a buff in PvE? You're citing buffs to other classes which make them even with other classes, not stronger than.

Show evidence of your class struggling or being too strong and we will adjust it to where it needs to be.

[skyx]

No, we buff FSW to a point where is it in-line with the Spellfire set so players can choose between the two (instead of its current crappy form).

Even when buffed as flosr1 suggested, most classes would probably still opt for the Spellfire set.

Anyways, I am merely supporting Flosr1's suggestion because he proposed a logical solution and had the foresight to notice this problem.

[flosr1]

exactly, i kinda saw this coming. ever1 is going for spellfire tailoring now

the problem about it is, some crafted items (boe and later t5/t6 drops) require a high amount of shadowweave aswell.
your argument about the economic perspective is kinda weak, because crafting a cloth type without the proc is not really efficient, so almost no one will do that atm. the crying will be big later, when peopl will need shadowcloth

i do not want you to buff the frozen shadowweave set to an amount where it is more powerful than spellfire set, hell i dno not even care if you make it equally good. just give it some more SP so that it is at least viable and some people that are still leveling might probably go shadowweave tailor. or at least with their alts

[flosr1]

or at least buff it with something else like spirit, so that classes with mana issues (like shadowpriests benefit from it). or hitrating...