quick CV if some1 doesnt know me
[hide]I'm ex TrueWoW realm player (been there for 4 years before launch of Primal) were officer in Alliance side Devils Own, raider in Ultimatum (when it existed rip) and social member in Ascension (much love Jira :*)
Than on Primal in early days member of FFK (which merged to Murmur) than part of Ministry/Crimson, left after that unfortunate BWL release with Crimson just to come back few months after in search of new home on Primal. Later on have been bouncing between Vanilla Knights and Murmur due to my friends moving back and forth.[/hide]
Explanation for non VK members or the ones that were absent recently
[hide]Ad rem. Recently as few people on Primal are aware there was a "drama" inside Vanilla Knights. Since I was away from my pc and any kind of internet connection I had no clue what was going on when I logged on to see 3 of my friends kicked from guild. Initialy I tried to talk to everyone and understand what happened during my absence. Decided I won't pick any sides of conflict that occured until I fully understand the issue.
It turned out there was some disagreement on PVP zones on wbosses. Some ppl crying about it, (Sulik even left server because of it), my friends defending the idea (Raelyo, Gala and Relarr) and pointing out that recent events (wipe) were due to mistakes done by guildmembers. I would post that to show what exactly was going on but I have no acces to VK slack.
However the main issue is how guild management solved the issue. They kicked all three of them. From what I've been told the decision was made only by Juve who was gm at that moment and Felicity (ex-gm).
I can understand that Raelyo is straight forward and he only speaks in public when there is and issue to solve / criticize. He aint a person that would praise ppl (altho I remeber speaking to him privately and hearing that "that naxx run was smooth and great , best raid so far")[/hide]
Main issue
After the removal of Raelyo, Gala and Relarr. I've been torn a bit, never realy had any personal issues with guild menagment of VK before. Long story short me, Sinner and Dominique left VK in act of solidarity with our friends.
I can understand there was much tension in VK, I understand ppl don't have to like everyone on the server, but the amount of hate from the people I can say atleast liked is overhelming.
[Rant mode on]
HELLO JUVE AND WATER u can kick my alts from guild but we still have friends inside. No idea how you know it's me or Raelyo. I assume there was GM that helped and checked account info cuz Raelyo's character was brand new. (Yes, I know GMs play undercover along with players, Juve even confirmed there is at least one in VK) After we joined to see if you guys will shittalk us behind our back. Yes I know whats going on VK forums even when you removed me from it.
Hey everyone
I'd like to explain my views regarding the recent events;When Murmur-EU disbanded we welcomed them to our guild. Initially most of them were on trial periods where we watched if they could behave. Some of them couldn't but we tried to find solutions and compromises where possible. Unfortunately not all of them wanted to join us, but rather kept on trying to change us. This conflict resulted in a couple of them, and a few of ours, to create a sanctuary for themselves. This is what I believe created the first cracks in what now is a huge abyss. Instead of working as a unity we were separate entities coexisting constantly stepping on each others shoes. Instead of being glad a guild member got a huge upgrade we heard complaints that he didn't deserve it and that it would have been way better on this other guy. Instead of gaining more bodies for our raids we ultimately lost some old ones to the abyss.A short anecdote: When Catacus and Tidesrus left the guild Relarr's first reaction was, "Welp, there goes our progression". Ultimately I think counting bodies seemed more valuable than actually taking a step back and realizing who you want to spend your evenings with. Now I can tell you for a fact that such an attitude isn't one I'm particularly inclined to work with, but I tried... A lot, and I undoubtedly fell in the trap of trying to please everybody whilst actually pleasing nobody. In retrospect (shitstains) I think we never should have taken them in the first place or at least kicked them earlier - but the incident this weekend was the drop that spilled the cup for me I guess.Now what does this mean for moving forward? As some of you may already have seen I passed guild master master back to Felicity. Raiding will most likely be kept to a minimum over Christmas and we'll see what happens in the new year. I'm moving out in January so I'm uncertain how much time I will be able to dedicate towards raiding, but I think I need and deserve a break anyways. On a positive note - there's now a lot less people in the guild that I dislike, and everybody can generally get a long pretty well. The scourge invasion is over and TBC is just around the corner! I'd like to thank everyone for bearing over with me in the good and the badSee you in the next year!
-Juve
- Yes, I've been criticizing how LC was working there along with others
- Yes, I suggested changes to it, bah I even suggested changes to tacts in naxx once.
- The suggested changes were nowhere near anything radical , we didn't ask you to use dkp instead of Lc or something like that
- All we tried to do is to make people actualy farm goddamn pBiS that was neglected by majority, and convince LC to give gear to players that will bring the most benefit to the guild so we can progress.
- Yes, few players stopped raiding most probably due to your incompetence Juve, or some real life reasons.
- Maybe you didn't notice but we werent even usualy starting discussion about gear when it concerned ourselves.
I'm not the best druid around PrimalWoW either or anything like that. The skills werent my concern as long as it sufficed to raid. I bashed only on lack of effort.
Please show me any player that quite guild before the drama because of either me or my friends?
It realy saddens me that you try to blame one of us for what happened to the guild.
Also that whisper after I quite "I expected more of you." I expected you having more dignity Juve. Lets be honest you failed at leading guild. It was once great, I still remember the hype when VK killed Raggy for first time, I still remember how VK was a role model to every new player that joined Primal. What now ? Bunch of hatefull people in managment who cannot get over their anthypaties.
Yeah loss of of over 6 core raiders team was surely worth your good mood."On a positive note - there's now a lot less people in the guild that I dislike"
Do I have to link what Delatrice posted on VK forums also ? About your censorship, about how ppl are deluded that LC has anything to say if you decide to give some1 item ? Quite probably you already censored or removed that.
I didn't mind those things when they werent affecting me directly however I cannot tolerate brainwashing and spreading lies about us.
I can post how Water removed my and raelyos alts while there was no way he knew it was us by any normal means. Sadly i dont have screenshotshowing him saying "It's Deim" after kicking my alt x)
Those who know me, should be aware that I fucking hate dramas and don't get triggered easily so that's all for now
[Rant mode off]
I'm kinda sorry that I had to post it on Truewow forums which is full of hate and nagging recently due to that Inquistion posts but I wanted to be heard and have no other place to reach certain people and make sure to keep it civilized.