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[PW] Pvp Class Balance

#1 » Post by marcoloide » 07 May 2017 02:35

Any plans to nerf/improve dmg of certain classes? Some are umbalanced right now, should i think that is a temporary phase because is prepatch? Just one example is immolate -> conflagrate .. Someone tried in the test realm with resilience? What can i expect at 70?

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Re: [PW] Pvp Class Balance

#2 » Post by Vaen » 07 May 2017 05:26

To be honest, the balance isn't too off at the moment. The problem you see with conflagrate stems from this bug: https://truewow.org/bugs/view.php?id=5087
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Re: [PW] Pvp Class Balance

#3 » Post by Floss » 07 May 2017 11:20

Rogue's talents are totally unbalanced :
If you try the new sub tier(down to shadowstep), you lose most of damage enhancement talents from assa.
If you try backstab spec(with dps and energy extras) , you lose shadowstep.
If you try the new assa tier(down to mutli) , you lose prep and you dont have envenom anyway so the whole tier is useless.

Point is : there's no balance between dps and control talents atm , you have to give up on one.

And this is only pvp...


I guess we'll wait for TBC to figure things out.

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Re: [PW] Pvp Class Balance

#4 » Post by skyx » 07 May 2017 12:04

What rogue talent specs do you have in mind?

The TBC PW sub rogue spec will just be a gimped version of the Woltk Sub spec without Shadowdance.

https://truewow.org/armory/talentcalc.p ... ,0&realm=p

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Re: [PW] Pvp Class Balance

#5 » Post by Floss » 07 May 2017 14:17

skyx wrote:
07 May 2017 12:04
What rogue talent specs do you have in mind?

The TBC PW sub rogue spec will just be a gimped version of the Woltk Sub spec without Shadowdance.

https://truewow.org/armory/talentcalc.p ... ,0&realm=p
The spec you posted has 61 points and it could work but i was refering to the current situation (with only 51 points available).

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Re: [PW] Pvp Class Balance

#6 » Post by skyx » 07 May 2017 14:25

Then put 3 points into improved gouge and drop the rest into sub (and maybe a point or two into improved evisceration over honour amongst thieves if you like). You no longer need improved ambush since you don't have Shadow Dance.

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Re: [PW] Pvp Class Balance

#7 » Post by skyx » 07 May 2017 14:39

I forgot about http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Slaughter ... he_Shadows

Do you know if it is better to use 2x Hemo with 1x MH Sword + 1 x OH Daggar @ 35 energy/attack

or 1x Backstab with 2x Daggars @ 60 energy/attack?

If spamming Hemo is best (like it was in TBC), I guess this is the best spec?

https://truewow.org/armory/talentcalc.p ... ,0&realm=p

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#8 » Post by Floss » 07 May 2017 19:32

skyx wrote: Then put 3 points into improved gouge and drop the rest into sub (and maybe a point or two into improved evisceration over honour amongst thieves if you like). You no longer need improved ambush since you don't have Shadow Dance.
That's how you lose your dps talents in assa.
skyx wrote:
07 May 2017 14:39
I forgot about http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Slaughter ... he_Shadows

Do you know if it is better to use 2x Hemo with 1x MH Sword + 1 x OH Daggar @ 35 energy/attack

or 1x Backstab with 2x Daggars @ 60 energy/attack?

If spamming Hemo is best (like it was in TBC), I guess this is the best spec?

https://truewow.org/armory/talentcalc.p ... ,0&realm=p
It doesn't matter which wep you use for OH.
As for backstab vs hemo , backstab is way better on damage but it kills ur energy . you can't even do 1 full stunlock right without Sfts.
My advice ? Go mutilate with envenom spec . its by far the best for arena in tbc , you won't have prep tho..
If you're more into full control and sub , you can use the spec you posted earlier.

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Re: [PW] Pvp Class Balance

#9 » Post by skyx » 09 May 2017 15:52

Floss wrote:
07 May 2017 19:32

It doesn't matter which wep you use for OH.
As for backstab vs hemo , backstab is way better on damage but it kills ur energy . you can't even do 1 full stunlock right without Sfts.
My advice ? Go mutilate with envenom spec . its by far the best for arena in tbc , you won't have prep tho..
If you're more into full control and sub , you can use the spec you posted earlier.
But can you do 1 full stun-lock with hemo spam?

If that is the case, you'd want your dagger as OH and a slow weapon as your MH as Hemo only needs 1 dagger for the 160% criteria.

I could test it on my TW rogue(s) but I'd rather not.

Envenom spec without prep is not going to be fun. Without glyph of Mutilate, mutilates cost 60 energy.

However, Envenom spec was the best 2v2 spec in Wotlk for rogues until they have access to high amounts of armour penetration.

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Re: [PW] Pvp Class Balance

#10 » Post by Floss » 09 May 2017 21:56

skyx wrote:
09 May 2017 15:52


But can you do 1 full stun-lock with hemo spam?
Yes.

If that is the case, you'd want your dagger as OH and a slow weapon as your MH as Hemo only needs 1 dagger for the 160% criteria.
True.
I could test it on my TW rogue(s) but I'd rather not.

Envenom spec without prep is not going to be fun. Without glyph of Mutilate, mutilates cost 60 energy.

Yes but you still get to envenom which is the best finisher when you lack arp .

However, Envenom spec was the best 2v2 spec in Wotlk for rogues until they have access to high amounts of armour penetration.
Also true.

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Re: [PW] Pvp Class Balance

#11 » Post by skyx » 14 May 2017 17:35

Floss wrote:
09 May 2017 21:56
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Since you haven't played TBC before (I reckon), I'll tell you about the HARP mace spec.

It is Hemo, Adrenaline Rush and Preparation with Mace spec stuns. Preparation use to reset AR.

It got nerfed in later TBC and mace stuns were removed but hemo was buffed to 160% in wotlk so it might be viable in TBC PW (haven't tested).

https://truewow.org/armory/talentcalc.p ... ,0&realm=p

Also, it feels suicidal not to have Preparation.

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Re: [PW] Pvp Class Balance

#12 » Post by Floss » 15 May 2017 00:33

I did play TBC but it was different.
Anyway , Already had this spec in mind but you need 5 points at Mace Spec that gives you a nice 15% arp to compensate for low damage on plates.
Add 9% from sub tree to that and you got 24% without arp gear.
And you can't rely on Hemo , it's low dmg either way compared to SS cuz most talents support SS- Agression,Blade twisting and maybe Surprise attacks.
This really could be the 2nd best spec for pvp (damage wise) but you need alot of Arp .

My rogue on wotlk for example had 62.2% without the 9% from sub.
I believe that you need alteast 60% in total to feel some change since you won't rely on special attack (Ambush/backstab or Mutilate).

Now at lvl 70 , for 1% you need 5.92 arp (According to Wowwiki).
That means that if you have 24% from talents and you want let's say 60% total ?
36% from gear ==> 36 * 5.92 = 213.12 .

So to sum this up. Use Mutilate spec untill you get about 213 Arp and a good pair of Maces (for the talent) then switch to this build. that is , if you want DPS over Control (Deep Sub talents).
My idea of this spec - https://truewow.org/armory/talentcalc.p ... ,0&realm=p

I personally prefer Shadowstep over anything else (helps in interrupting focused targets faster and plenty o' more stuff..).

But we'll see :).

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