See this for first time lol,but ye its true,by the way how you know offhand fist should add damage to bladestorm if you use it with 2handed weapon ?Both your hands hold weapon during bladestorm so there is no sign of any off-hand attack during spin because you dont have any hand left.Asking because I didnt see this offhand fist additional dmg during bladestorm on any other pvp server,and here its adding 2.1k addition dmg vs rogue with my gear,idk how much with better one.Not telling its gamebreaking lol or anything,but ye sometimes that 2-2.5k hp can save ass .1) During Bladestorm, as you saw from the screenshots posted by others, you also hit with your off-hand. As Arms, you don't use any weapon in your off-hand slot, so it's the fist damage (not your main fist, but your off-fist). It supposedly increases the overall damage of Bladestorm by 10% to 15% as opposed to your imaginary 200%. Believing otherwise would be illogical and groundless.
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Yeah - Destros can 4-crit-shot people when bursting fully if they want to and do it right, just like how other classes and specs can do that in counted seconds as well, especially those with channeled spells that can crit, since they ignore Crit Resil completely, moreover having PvE items in your gear set would only make this all happen even faster; this is no "talking bullshit". These are the facts here.
Wrath of the Lich King is a "Burst or Die" expansion - people do so much DMG their HP drops in seconds if they're not careful. You've either played Cata too much or you just can't realize you need to start learning how to play properly and counter disadvantages with what you've got and can use, instead of whine on and about saying this is bugged and that is bugged.
You whine about pet bugs? Bladestorm weapon switch is bugged - we can't switch our weapons in the middle of our own Bladestorm to go from defensive to offensive, so we have to waste a GCD to switch and then BS, and that GCD can sometimes mean life or death. If you Fear us chances are you'll send us all the way to Mexico. or down to hell, or maybe even both - that's a possibility too. Everyone's got their own bugs, buddy. I'm rolling with 1.1 K Resil yet I can still get wrecked easily - just learn to admit defeat and take it like a man.
Resilience isn't everything, but you seem too naive to believe that, so why don't you just go stack Resil already.
You're the one not knowing facts here, the one trashtalking and so naive that you only believe your own words, instead of try to listen to the other speaker and consider their words - that's not gonna earn you anything, pal.
Keep on blabbing.
"In a whirlwind of steel you attack up to 4 enemies within 8 yards, causing weapon damage from both melee weapons to each enemy." - Whirlwind's tooltip.
Your 2H is your MH, your fist is your OH - you hit all four enemies with both your 2H and your fist each. It's like you've got Titan's Grip but no 2H in your OH slot, yet you still somehow hit with that fist as well.
Wrath of the Lich King is a "Burst or Die" expansion - people do so much DMG their HP drops in seconds if they're not careful. You've either played Cata too much or you just can't realize you need to start learning how to play properly and counter disadvantages with what you've got and can use, instead of whine on and about saying this is bugged and that is bugged.
You whine about pet bugs? Bladestorm weapon switch is bugged - we can't switch our weapons in the middle of our own Bladestorm to go from defensive to offensive, so we have to waste a GCD to switch and then BS, and that GCD can sometimes mean life or death. If you Fear us chances are you'll send us all the way to Mexico. or down to hell, or maybe even both - that's a possibility too. Everyone's got their own bugs, buddy. I'm rolling with 1.1 K Resil yet I can still get wrecked easily - just learn to admit defeat and take it like a man.
Resilience isn't everything, but you seem too naive to believe that, so why don't you just go stack Resil already.
That's your lil' ol' Chaos Bolt right there, but you know what's even better than that? A full crit channel of Bugcane Missles - if you don't stop that by any means necessary you're as good as dead already.MacHeat wrote:12k on 25k hp is just under 50% or mages total hp. gone in a single blow...
You're the one not knowing facts here, the one trashtalking and so naive that you only believe your own words, instead of try to listen to the other speaker and consider their words - that's not gonna earn you anything, pal.
Keep on blabbing.
Bladestorm is literally Whirlwind done seven times in total over time.Boxis wrote:See this for first time lol,but ye its true,by the way how you know offhand fist should add damage to bladestorm if you use it with 2handed weapon ?Both your hands hold weapon during bladestorm so there is no sign of any off-hand attack during spin because you dont have any hand left.Asking because I didnt see this offhand fist additional dmg during bladestorm on any other pvp server,and here its adding 2.1k addition dmg vs rogue with my gear,idk how much with better one.Not telling its gamebreaking lol or anything,but ye sometimes that 2-2.5k hp can save ass .1) During Bladestorm, as you saw from the screenshots posted by others, you also hit with your off-hand. As Arms, you don't use any weapon in your off-hand slot, so it's the fist damage (not your main fist, but your off-fist). It supposedly increases the overall damage of Bladestorm by 10% to 15% as opposed to your imaginary 200%. Believing otherwise would be illogical and groundless.
"In a whirlwind of steel you attack up to 4 enemies within 8 yards, causing weapon damage from both melee weapons to each enemy." - Whirlwind's tooltip.
Your 2H is your MH, your fist is your OH - you hit all four enemies with both your 2H and your fist each. It's like you've got Titan's Grip but no 2H in your OH slot, yet you still somehow hit with that fist as well.
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Boxis, that is the bug. I was just explaining how the bug provides a 10-15% damage buff instead of the previously proclaimed "double damage". Otherwise, the off-hand fist isn't supposed to add in. Only 7 Whirlwinds should be shown in Recount. That's probably why you didn't see it on AT.Boxis wrote:See this for first time lol,but ye its true,by the way how you know offhand fist should add damage to bladestorm if you use it with 2handed weapon ?Both your hands hold weapon during bladestorm so there is no sign of any off-hand attack during spin because you dont have any hand left.Asking because I didnt see this offhand fist additional dmg during bladestorm on any other pvp server,and here its adding 2.1k addition dmg vs rogue with my gear,idk how much with better one.Not telling its gamebreaking lol or anything,but ye sometimes that 2-2.5k hp can save ass .1) During Bladestorm, as you saw from the screenshots posted by others, you also hit with your off-hand. As Arms, you don't use any weapon in your off-hand slot, so it's the fist damage (not your main fist, but your off-fist). It supposedly increases the overall damage of Bladestorm by 10% to 15% as opposed to your imaginary 200%. Believing otherwise would be illogical and groundless.
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And Mac, with all due respect to you: Ferals are not Rogues. Their energy regeneration is not very efficient. Since they have to keep up separate buffs and debuffs by using precious combo points, they can't really manage to Ferocious Bite much (sometimes, but not a lot) outside Berserk (which is a 3 minutes cooldown). It cannot be compared to abilities that have around a 10 seconds cooldown like Chaos Bolt or Lava Burst. =) Careful.
12k damage is also impossible for a very geared Feral Druid (such as one like mine) on a 4/5 Wrathful Mage under normal circumstances. I've done (not just me, I also have this Duelist Feral friend who still plays there on AT even though I quit my Druid there for some time now) around 7-9k regular Bites on Mages on both AT and TrueWoW. So, it is definitely not a problem of resilience since the Mages (almost everybody) over at the AT even had 5/5 Wrathful gear.
12k Ferocious Bites (like this one time I did an 11k one on a Mage playing MP in 2s -- in AT) are only possible under Taunka (DBW) proc (could be heroic in TrueWoW with 100 more Str) + weapon enchant proc + ring proc (only TrueWoW since AT has no Ashen) + no absorbs on the Mage (very rare to find a Mage naked like that esp. with a DP around) + 65 (35 for the original cost + 30 additional to scale) energy situations. Having 65 energy ready to Ferocious Bite anytime does not occur more than once or twice in one arena match.
And it can DEFINITELY not be compared with many nuke abilities of other classes that require nothing, with barely 10 seconds cooldowns, and doing about the same damage. If it didn't do more damage, it wouldn't make any sense.
But, to be entirely honest, I feel your pain. I also feel people's pain about Warriors. I don't play only Warriors, you know. I also play against them. My Shaman and Druid got cut up by Warriors more than I'd like to experience. But, I cannot be blind simply because I took so much damage now, can I?
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Discussion: Warrior [PvP] Arms - 4/5 Wrathful ~ [PvE] Fury - 6566 GS
Discalceate: Druid [PvP] Feral - 4/5 Wrathful ~ [PvE] Cat - 6356 GS
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Discarnate: Shaman [PvP] Enh. - 5/5 Wrathful ~ [PvE] Enh. - 6389 GS
Discussion: Warrior [PvP] Arms - 4/5 Wrathful ~ [PvE] Fury - 6566 GS
Discalceate: Druid [PvP] Feral - 4/5 Wrathful ~ [PvE] Cat - 6356 GS
Discordance: DK [PvP] Unh. - 4/5 Wrathful ~ [PvE] Unh. - 6194 GS
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Well was bored without main internet connection. So looked bit deeper into the Bladestorm issue below is what i have found out, using TC 5ae86ee2a8. Maybe will help out who ever ends up fixing this.
The Bladestorm issue is cased since the core when handling spell effects that trigger other spells such as SPELL_EFFECT_TRIGGER is to apply a full trigger mask when casting. This ignores attributes such as the ones in BladeStorm for off hand hit or to check if the warrior is disarmed.
If you check for these before casting the spell works properly. This code "resolves" the 2 issues with bladestorm as a example to show the above to be the case.
Example with spell script for 50622(Main hand hit) and 44949(Off hand)
http://paste2.org/7J0kK4zA
player casting bladestorm is called "bladestorm" and the one casting disarm is called "disarm". In reflection not the best choices.
Bladestorm with Two-Hand
Bladestorm with Two-Hand warrior getting disarmed
The Bladestorm issue is cased since the core when handling spell effects that trigger other spells such as SPELL_EFFECT_TRIGGER is to apply a full trigger mask when casting. This ignores attributes such as the ones in BladeStorm for off hand hit or to check if the warrior is disarmed.
If you check for these before casting the spell works properly. This code "resolves" the 2 issues with bladestorm as a example to show the above to be the case.
Example with spell script for 50622(Main hand hit) and 44949(Off hand)
http://paste2.org/7J0kK4zA
player casting bladestorm is called "bladestorm" and the one casting disarm is called "disarm". In reflection not the best choices.
Bladestorm with Two-Hand
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Kajirai you are the one who is going to tell me to "learn how to admit defeat" and yet im not defeated :O
You can only guess i played cata, but i didn't. not for long that is. The fact is i can still wreck ur bugg ass all the way to hell and back...and btw fear only helps sometimes...other times it saves ur ass, so stop that bullshit trashtalk
You can only guess i played cata, but i didn't. not for long that is. The fact is i can still wreck ur bugg ass all the way to hell and back...and btw fear only helps sometimes...other times it saves ur ass, so stop that bullshit trashtalk
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MacHeat wrote:so stop that bullshit trashtalk.
MacHeat wrote:The fact is i can still wreck ur bugg ass all the way to hell and back....
So this topic proved that bladestorm has a minor damage increase because of the fist damage (about 10%, which is almost nothing) and you still believe it's bugged to hell? Get your facts straight and stop being retarded.
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Funny.MacHeat wrote:Kajirai you are the one who is going to tell me to "learn how to admit defeat" and yet im not defeated :O
I'd rather say you have for long enough, since you keep spouting crap like a few other people here about things doing too much damage, when actually you can easily get me with your Chaos Bolt.MacHeat wrote:You can only guess i played cata, but i didn't. not for long that is.
Buddy, no need to get personal with me, and besides, I thought it was you who challenged me to a duel like three days ago, and I beat you? Are you trying to get back on me somehow 'cause you can't admit defeat? Sheesh, man, chill the hell out.MacHeat wrote:The fact is i can still wreck ur bugg ass all the way to hell and back...
So I guess sending me to Mexico - 396369837689 yards away from you - helps me? As well as sending me through texture, possibly ending with falling to my death? I don't get it - who's talking bullshit trashtalk again? Enlighten me, and try to do it without blowing your head off, Rage McButthurtson.MacHeat wrote:and btw fear only helps sometimes...other times it saves ur ass, so stop that bullshit trashtalk
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why is this topic still open? it's totally offtopic at this point...
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