Well yea,im trying to beat u..so far impossibleIntervention wrote:Zaakira, congratulations for saying something stupid. Here is a cookie.
Can i haz cookie too Inter plsIntervention wrote:Zaakira, congratulations for saying something stupid. Here is a cookie.
Mens u gotta say something stupid..dont cheat pls.Arockalypse wrote:Can i haz cookie too Inter plsIntervention wrote:Zaakira, congratulations for saying something stupid. Here is a cookie.
Well for a lot of things, yes they are bugged, but also a lot of it is working just fine. the problem comes not from the bugged part, but from the lack of interest in uldu in general. Thus not enough players that are willing to follow a simple koncept of every boss but arrogantly (cause they have ICC gear) rushing into the bosses and wiping...i say this just cause i was in a OS25 the other day and only a few ppl were interested in actualy doing it how it's sposta be done but rather ignoring the 3 drakes and nooking down sartharion. Yes ppl did 10k dps but still we wiped from a simple flame breath of the 1st drake (vesperon i belive)Chillmaster wrote:Most of them are bugged rofl cause we are blizzlike ftw!!!!! Ulduar bugged as hell, even icc bugged but hey instead of fixing bugs lets remove the buff of icc and why?
I sed ICC is boring not because it's easy. if something's hard, doesn't make it fun... the raid itself looks like it was thot of and made in hurry b4 cataclysmAnoth wrote:Correction, you never did. A lot of older truewow players faced it when getting past Deathbringer was a rarity, killing PP was awesome, Blood was out of the question and Frost was closed.
-this is also a reply to RoelRagnorak wrote:Well fuck you whoever thinks that, i worked hard for this gear for over a year, nobody carried me. Many of the spermik players and new 80s on this server have had the PRIVILEGE of getting boosted from 4.8k gs to 6k gs in less than 2-4 weeks. While players like me had to spend months just to get our first invite into ICC...
Ragnorak wrote:This topic itself is a waste of time...
People are complaining that ICC is too hard to do without the buff and shit like that... ICC is not supposed to be a faceroll dungeon it is the endgame dungeon for Wotlk. The only thing this will affect is cutting down the population of lvl 80s that we are carrying through ICC. There are so many fucking geared 80s who cant dps for shit. This will actually force people to learn how to play their class properly and learn how to dps with them. As well as force new 80s to gear up in RHCs and going to ToC/Ony before they attempt ICC.
Not fair for the Spermik players/New 80s?
I'll tell you what's not fair, as a new 80 i farmed a total of 250-275 PoS Farms for over 3 months just to get enough emblems for gear and loots from boss drops. I didn't even touch fucking ICC until i was 5k GS. And with Tyrannus in PoS getting bugged and disappearing for 3 months that fucking sucked because as a warrior he carries a lot of gear i needed to raise my GS. We had no RHCs, nothing... We all started from shit... people look at me and go like "Look at this warrior... 6.6k GS with Shadowmourne no wonder he doesn't give a shit about removing the ICC buff it doesn't affect him" Well fuck you whoever thinks that, i worked hard for this gear for over a year, nobody carried me. Many of the spermik players and new 80s on this server have had the PRIVILEGE of getting boosted from 4.8k gs to 6k gs in less than 2-4 weeks. While players like me had to spend months just to get our first invite into ICC... And no i did not reach 6k gs in less than a fucking month, it took me 8 months to get from my first ICC to where i am now.
"But even with ur shitty gear in the beginning u still had the ICC buff to help u guys"
Yes this is true however the reality is that EVERYONE had shitty gear, nowadays u can't join a raid without having a 5.8k+ gser in the same raid as u, so that is why new 80s today will always have an advantage, the removal of the ICC buff reduces the amount of carrying but it will never get rid of it completely. I cannot say how irritated i am of hearing countless people cry over the fact that they lost their precious buffs and that they cant raid ICC as effectively as they used to. Newsflash, if you know how to properly play your class and follow raid tactics by the letter and apply it in the encounter for 2-6 minutes at a time u will be just fine and you wont even notice the buff missing. Anyways the buff has been jacked back up to 20%... if people still complain about ICC being too hard even with the 20% then you need to seriously stop raiding and learn ur class before u attempt ICC again.
Arockalypse wrote:MY GOD!
PEITHNE IS THAT YOU?
and again you guys keep forgeting that Spermik is older than TW.Ragnorak wrote: Not fair for the Spermik players/New 80s?
I'll tell you what's not fair, as a new 80 i farmed a total of 250-275 PoS Farms for over 3 months just to get enough emblems for gear and loots from boss drops. I didn't even touch fucking ICC until i was 5k GS. And with Tyrannus in PoS getting bugged and disappearing for 3 months that fucking sucked because as a warrior he carries a lot of gear i needed to raise my GS. We had no RHCs, nothing... We all started from shit... people look at me and go like "Look at this warrior... 6.6k GS with Shadowmourne no wonder he doesn't give a shit about removing the ICC buff it doesn't affect him" Well fuck you whoever thinks that, i worked hard for this gear for over a year, nobody carried me. Many of the spermik players and new 80s on this server have had the PRIVILEGE of getting boosted from 4.8k gs to 6k gs in less than 2-4 weeks. While players like me had to spend months just to get our first invite into ICC... And no i did not reach 6k gs in less than a fucking month, it took me 8 months to get from my first ICC to where i am now.
(in Spermik was never fixed), you used it as a signal point in rhc, LOL...Discarnate wrote:I already talked about it once in details in another thread. I'll just paste the relevant part here.
While this may not be the case for 100% of these situations because I actually have seen a 6.1kgs warlock (I won't mention HER name) with a certain heroic trinket doing 5k DPS in ICC25hc. It was one of those things that make you die a little inside. But at the same time, I saw many other 6.1kgs players doing 20ks. So, I cannot be blind to the ratio. However, this is the case for the majority of such situations.Discarnate wrote:Spermik was of a different patch of WOTLK. Your 4.8k gearscore cannot be compared with our 4.8k gearscore standards. There's a scaling issue that any old player should be aware of. It's a bit like a new player leveling to 70 and a fully TBC geared level 70. 4.8k gearscore from Spermik means nearly endgame gear + trinkets + set bonuses, etc. Your performance can easily be compared with a normal 5.4k gearscore player from our patch and regime. When we see a 4.8k gearscore player in TrueWoW, we basically look at a person with 3 to 4 blues, barely a T9 or two, Northrend trinkets, with no gems/enchants. Also, there are some stat EP changes (if you're a theorycrafter like me, you'll know what I mean). So, the gearing phase (3.9 to 4.7 for you and 5 to 5.7 for us) makes itemization quite imbalanced and thus results in lower output.
As far as the gearing is concerned, TrueWoW suffered a rather dark time before 2 years or so. I tanked my first ICC10n in this server with 4.5k gs. There was no ICC10hc. The only way to win marks were through ICC25ns where EVERYBODY rolls on stuff. All 3 of my 80s went through full PoS farming with full T9s, triumph trinkets and offsets before stepping into ICC. My druid is the youngest one and did feel a bit of privilege compared to the my older 80s though.
However, the point is, comparing our progression to look for a valid reason related to this change isn't gonna go anywhere.
Actually, I did form an opinion about this in the last half an hour.
Let the 30% buff be as it is right now until next year's February. Since everything's active and running at the moment, give the undergeared players a chance to reach a comfortable gear level as a compensation -- a very harmless compensation. After February though, take it off or nerf it according to your preferences. How about that?
That passage was not directed at all the spermik players which seems to be what you thought it was, it was directed at the many Spermik and New 80s that were carried through ICC with the help of this buff and because of it; causing an increase of level 80s with 5.8k-6k gs with no PvE skills whatsoever even though PvE requires almost no skill. And yes i dare say that many Spermik and New 80s got carried because that is the truth, many people who didn't deserve to be carried at all received that privilege while many who did deserve to be never did. The nerfing of the buff will be able to screen out the geared people who don't know how to play their class properly and replace them with people who actually know what they are doing, and will force the people with gear to learn their classes in depth to improve their gameplay in order to continue raiding.Zaakira wrote:and again you guys keep forgeting that Spermik is older than TW.Ragnorak wrote: Not fair for the Spermik players/New 80s?
I'll tell you what's not fair, as a new 80 i farmed a total of 250-275 PoS Farms for over 3 months just to get enough emblems for gear and loots from boss drops. I didn't even touch fucking ICC until i was 5k GS. And with Tyrannus in PoS getting bugged and disappearing for 3 months that fucking sucked because as a warrior he carries a lot of gear i needed to raise my GS. We had no RHCs, nothing... We all started from shit... people look at me and go like "Look at this warrior... 6.6k GS with Shadowmourne no wonder he doesn't give a shit about removing the ICC buff it doesn't affect him" Well fuck you whoever thinks that, i worked hard for this gear for over a year, nobody carried me. Many of the spermik players and new 80s on this server have had the PRIVILEGE of getting boosted from 4.8k gs to 6k gs in less than 2-4 weeks. While players like me had to spend months just to get our first invite into ICC... And no i did not reach 6k gs in less than a fucking month, it took me 8 months to get from my first ICC to where i am now.
That our ppl farmed rhc's(for 200 lvl items) and shitty naxx25 (our best raid-(213 items and last boss KT- 226lvl)) for over than 2 years too?
and then we suddenly merged with TW..with end game raids and gear,and we was like wow..so many wasted hours in naxx..for nothing.But NP,we'll gear up again.
And you dare to say that we're getting carried ? well shame on u,and fuck u too.
lol how do you decide who is worthy of getting carried and who is not ? If the 30% buff carried me and my guild (our raids are composed 90% of people from spermik btw) then it carried people from truewow as well since the moment it was implementedAnd yes i dare say that many Spermik and New 80s got carried because that is the truth, many people who didn't deserve to be carried at all received that privilege while many who did deserve to be never did.
when i'm not lagging i do 10k on marrowhc with my warrior and i mostly pvp with the warrior i rarely raidWinged wrote:First of all hello there, and now let's get "on topic". Personally, I stick with the as fully Blizzlike as possible idea, despite of the super greater EXP in Battlegrounds thing being awesome and not such a bad idea, and the 10% less heals, absorbs, HP and damage done giving a more 'challengy" atmosphere to those who seek it (like me). However it isn't about some liking it and some not, it's about sticking as Blizzlike as possible, and I don't think how this will do any good to be honest (I don't mind at all). Now:
1.: If Sinnerx = Maurelius, about the "Marrow10HC is difficult with IMBA dps", please define "imba", because your DPS on your warrior is horrid as hell. 1.5: "Hunters, DKs and palas with bugged dmg.", what about all those warriors abusing Deep Wounds to get as high? (lol).
2.: @Zaakira, ROFL. I bet your dps is bad, and also your performance, give it a try.
3.: As some have said, this topic is pretty 'meh', I just want to let you guys know, we must by all means stay Blizzlike.
Cheers.
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