Arms´ Trauma vs. Feral´s Mangle

#1 » Post by **Rascall** » 24 Jan 2016 15:11

Can anyone confirm whether the debuff provided by the above specs is indeed the same (it should be) but some cats claim that arms´ debuff decreases their bleed dmg compared with only mangle applied.

#2 » Post by **Relina** » 24 Jan 2016 15:23

Trauma & Mangle(Cat)/Mangle (Bear) both provide the same debuff.
So if Trauma is providing a lower increase than Mangle it might be because the talent is bugged, this would need testing to confirm.

Unless ofc the warrior only had 1/2 of Trauma talented(rank 1 only gives 15% increase).

#3 » Post by **freehall2002** » 24 Jan 2016 16:03

if warr apply trauma first and kitty apply 2nd then trauma get overwritten by kitty mangle and vice versa don't think so its bugged.

#4 » Post by **Rascall** » 24 Jan 2016 16:39

The point is that with arms presence in raid cat should not be applying mangle at all since it is wasting 1 combo point that could be spent on other abilities thus giving cat more dps...But since both specs can occur in raid some ferals claim that arms´ trauma lowers their bleed dmg. So either it´s a hoax or trauma talent is indeed bugged.

#5 » Post by **Justicelight** » 24 Jan 2016 16:55

I am not sure, but I think the "strongest buff" rule should apply like Talented BoM (500 ap + bonus) vs Normal BoM (500 ap) does. (BoM = blessing of might)

#6 » Post by **Relina** » 24 Jan 2016 17:34

Justicelight wrote:I am not sure, but I think the "strongest buff" rule should apply like Talented BoM (500 ap + bonus) vs Normal BoM (500 ap) does. (BoM = blessing of might)

This buff/debuff strength check mechanic is currently bugged on TW, so the 15% version of Trauma from a warrior can overwrite the 30% version of Mangle from a cat/bear.

But that's not the issue here.

Rascall can you please check if the warriors in question had Trauma fully talented or only had 1 rank of the talent.
Cos if they did have it fully talented and the bleed damage drops while its up vs when Mangle is up, then Trauma itself is bugged and needs to be fixed.

#7 » Post by **Rascall** » 24 Jan 2016 18:13

It´s 2/2 talent. hence fully talented

#8 » Post by **Gnurg** » 24 Jan 2016 18:18

I don't mind buffing warriors if this is bugged.

#9 » Post by **Relina** » 24 Jan 2016 18:44

Rascall wrote:It´s 2/2 talent. hence fully talented

So all we need to do is check if the talent is bugged, and report it.

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